Policy Questions Thread
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keetar
Dalayan Beginner
Agree, ridiculous rule if you want to keep players, instead of loosing them like iv seen the last couple of years. All big mmorpgs that want to keep there players take lighty on this kinda rule breaking cus they want subscribers. They know if they bann ppl = no money. Think on that dalaya devs before you hire a cop to be GM!
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
That was actually light for around here. Generally people are banned for it. Examples of that abound.
Dinadass
Dalayan Pious Diety
I don't really see how a ban or long jail sentence for a first time 3boxing offender benefits the server. Hell, as the rule is written on the wiki, it even looks like alt-F4ing a character and loading another while it is LD would be okay:
So maybe that should be edited to make it clear that a linkdead character counts as a client being played until the character itself is no longer present in /who or whatever. And first time offenders, especially brand new players, be given a warning and explanation of the rule.
So maybe that should be edited to make it clear that a linkdead character counts as a client being played until the character itself is no longer present in /who or whatever. And first time offenders, especially brand new players, be given a warning and explanation of the rule.
Nobody said it wasn't. Some just didn't agree with the rule, while others (myself being one) thought it could use a reminder in some form since it seems to be a rule a whole lotta folks aren't aware of (whether they should be or not). I don't necessarily think the rule needs to be changed, but I do agree with Susvain that taking a hardline on first-timers isn't really a good thing for the server. Hopefully this thread being bumped on this topic makes a few more aware that may not have been, but in my experience, like half the server never visits these boards.
Dimmi
Dalayan Elder
Guy 1:"Hey man, come play Shards of Dalaya with me, you can borrow my toon to buff yourself when I'm not on, see you in-game!"
Guy 2:"Awesome! Let's see what this game's like." He browses through pages of wiki, forums, makes a few posts for player advice on how to best enjoy the game, and doesn't absorb every detail off the bat, with minor rules being the least remembered because he's trying to remember the advice he was given on what to play and where to grind/farm.
Guy 2 logs in his monk and his buddy's T10 cleric to buff himself, then camps his monk, loads his shaman, gets more buffs, /q's the cleric and loads his monk back in.
Guy 1 logs in the next day to his buddy in jail and his cleric banned. His guild mails him anthrax for getting their main healer banned.
Guy 2 goes "Wow....what?"
Guy 2:"Awesome! Let's see what this game's like." He browses through pages of wiki, forums, makes a few posts for player advice on how to best enjoy the game, and doesn't absorb every detail off the bat, with minor rules being the least remembered because he's trying to remember the advice he was given on what to play and where to grind/farm.
Guy 2 logs in his monk and his buddy's T10 cleric to buff himself, then camps his monk, loads his shaman, gets more buffs, /q's the cleric and loads his monk back in.
Guy 1 logs in the next day to his buddy in jail and his cleric banned. His guild mails him anthrax for getting their main healer banned.
Guy 2 goes "Wow....what?"
I have to admit that I've played this game on and off since 2005, and I honestly thought that the rule was you could only have 2 live boxes online and that LD toons didn't count. Glad I happened to click on this thread today.
On this note, what harm is there in /q ing a toon and loading a third? You can't buff a LD toon anyway, and there is no advantage in having a third LD toon that comes to mind. All this rule does is build in a required timesink in buffing.
This seems like one of those easy rule changes pretty much everyone would be for with no downside to gameplay or balance.
On this note, what harm is there in /q ing a toon and loading a third? You can't buff a LD toon anyway, and there is no advantage in having a third LD toon that comes to mind. All this rule does is build in a required timesink in buffing.
This seems like one of those easy rule changes pretty much everyone would be for with no downside to gameplay or balance.
Tarutao
Staff Emeritus
I read every post made on these forums, even the spam ones that get moderated and become unviewable to the "Registered Users" forum usergroup.
Dimmi
Dalayan Elder
As far as I know, the reasoning is that....it decreases the population load on the server. :toot:
I could be wrong though.
Tarutao
Staff Emeritus
There are many instances of "but I swear I only was using 2 of the toons, the other isn't on my screen".
*scrolls up*
Soandso says, 'just hurry up, they aren't watching, it's not like they are just sitting in snp, I'll buff quick'
Yes, those things do happen.
At any rate, it is worth noting that the cases of 3box buffing only occasionally end with a ban. We just don't have a bright yellow serverwide message that says "GM-Trainee-Monassa had a private conversation in tells with a new player to explain the 3boxing rule and nobody got jailed or banned."
*scrolls up*
Soandso says, 'just hurry up, they aren't watching, it's not like they are just sitting in snp, I'll buff quick'
Yes, those things do happen.
At any rate, it is worth noting that the cases of 3box buffing only occasionally end with a ban. We just don't have a bright yellow serverwide message that says "GM-Trainee-Monassa had a private conversation in tells with a new player to explain the 3boxing rule and nobody got jailed or banned."
lynnettell
Dalayan Elder
Okay, so accounts are attached to an e-mail address, and that e-mail address is that SOLE owner, forever & ever. You can give Power of Attorney to someone, but original is always golden, I know this much.
So, what about the instance where it's a guild account that the originator will give all rights up to, and someone else will take over not only the accounts, but the e-mail address?
So, what about the instance where it's a guild account that the originator will give all rights up to, and someone else will take over not only the accounts, but the e-mail address?
Tarutao
Staff Emeritus
Banned if caught. That's an attempt to abuse the system.
cian2
Dalayan Master
I've searched all over the forums trying to find an answer to this, but what is the protocol for suspected 3-boxing? I recently had something like six of my accounts jailed when 3 characters were technically "logged in" (two trackers linkdead by me, one tracker actually online by my roommate)
I was never sent a tell or asked to test if I was 3-boxing (which has happened to me before, which we did pass the test) but in this case attempts to communicate with the person who jailed me was met with "I don't need to see any proof to know you were 3-boxing" and then jailing of that character as well.
Being the holidays I expect to just eat the jailings, and it doesn't exactly break my heart, but it'd be worthwhile to clarify the rules - because it does appear that if you are a person who is known and cleared to have two actual players on the IP (thus 4 characters allowed) but do some sort of activity that may be construed as "suspicious" - in this case, tracking with more than 2 characters - you may still be labelled a 3 boxer and jailed. Consider a scenario where two people are tracking with 4 characters while periodically afk - would this be illegal? Even more confusing is that if I were considered to be a confirmed 3-boxer by this particular Admin, I should have been banned on my 2 highest characters, according to the rules as I see them written. (and in this case - what happens to my roommates characters? things get murky, to say the least) Either the rules were changed officially somewhere along the lines or are made up on the spot (not pointing any fingers here, just curious)
Some sort of consistency is all I'm looking for here - situations like this now have my roommate & I concerned about logging in to anything for fear we will get more things jailed. The person who jailed me refuses to speak with me due to previous incidents that occurred between us, so I am left sort of mystified by the whole thing. For example, I logged on a beastlord I have logged out in Overgrowth as a buffbot and haven't played in days, and was jailed on that as well. That is, one character on an IP cleared for four. Again, never given a chance to prove (again) that there are two people who play on this IP.
Also, there isn't a whole lot of clarification on the 2-boxing rule easily found in the Policy Plaza at all. I think that with any sort of decision like this, communication is key and can avoid a lot of further headaches and involvement/investigation by other people whose time could be better spent. If I were simply sent a tell and asked to prove the presence of two actual players, I would have happily done so, and I wouldn't have had to read through all this policy stuff and contact the other admins to handle this. The policy could probably use some updating. At the least, maybe this will serve as a warning to others in similar situations. Thanks for any info!
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I have been told before that linkdead characters count as logged in characters. I may be reading this wrong, but if you logged in someone and then /q them out and quickly log in 2 more folks, then this would be considered 3 boxing because that first character could still be considered in the game.
cian2
Dalayan Master
sure, but that is still 2 counted against me and 1 against my roommate. if I were to log in another character before the 2 I had in timed out, it would fulfill the requirement.