Siquros said:
I'd further spend my own time trying to improve this game but I'm sick of being met with replies from the administration such as "hahah lol you are dumb gee do you even play the game" so I'm just going to say: good luck to everyone who still feels like it's worth their time to brainstorm possibilities to have their class changed to become useful. I'm sure it's really easy for a wizard or cleric to say "hahah dumb necros want to be even more powerful, geez they get to FD!" Yeah well clerics can rez without expensive components and wizards can evac... EVERYONE has these sort of "oh shit" abilities, and I'm sick of necros being referred to as a support class, wtf do we support? Not mana regen, anymore. All I see us are DoT masters, aka masters of having stacking problems with our form of DPS that cannot even be 50% of a wizard's capabilities.
I'm sorry but it's just plain rude to pretty much come out and call me a liar about some things I feel are a problem. I've never seen our level 60 pet haste or level 63 pet spells for sale, in the months that I've been 60+. EVER. Whereas you can search any vendor and see duplicates of similar spells for other classes.
But what do I know, I must be only making these things up in my attempt to become overpowered or something (although I don't play the game anymore). If I wanted to be overpowered, I wouldn't be playing a necromancer.
So what exactly are you asking for here? All I've seen argued over the last couple pages is the DPS issue. Wiz has already said he'd consider such things as a mana dump, and the issue of DoT stacking seems to have all but fallen off the radar. You say that necros can't deliver even half of a wizard's DPS--how do you figure? How about some numbers? Are you saying that my rough calculations of a necro or wrong, or that Shurley's representation of a wizard (which he plays) are incorrect?
I don't think anyone's called you a liar, any more than you're calling me or anyone else a liar. It's called disagreement. People are saying your figures are wrong and asking for some sort of numerical substantiation. Alternative calculations with a detailed breakdown of the numbers have been offered and you have not refuted them. If you want your issues with necro DPS to be taken seriously, you're going to have to provide more than circumstantial or anecdotal support for your case.
As for your level 60 pet haste and level 63 pet summon, I have personally purchased one and two copies respectively, and had one copy of the pet haste drop.
Furthermore, no one is accusing you of making anything up. The assertion being made is that you aren't considering things from the broader point of view of class balance. Every single class--every single one--has issues with other classes, and feels that their class is somehow inferior to what they should be. It's a think called perspective. Look at pallies, for instance. I see very few copies of the 65 pink heart drop, and Zodium tells me to suck an ass--the drop tables are fine, it's just a matter of luck with spell drops. And he's right. I see SKs generating way more aggro than me, and doing more DPS. But you know what? That's their job. I don't generate as much aggro and don't do DPS for a reason. And I can make up for it with excellent buffs and some superb self and group heals.
You say you don't see how necros are utility. Do you never use your mezes? Have you never used a pet/FD pull to pull off a difficult split? How about using group taps to save the day? Necros can do all that
as well as dishing out some pretty excellent DPS with their DoTs. I guarantee you that with one single DoT, you can do more DPS than my paladin does against any dark blue or higher non-undead mobs. And you can stack several more on. Likewise, you can out-DPS shamans with DoTs.
As for stacking issues, Wiz has said Caress should stack, since it has no debuff. Thus, if it isn't stacking currently, it will presumably be changed. I use Caress on my shaman all the time, and I've never had it overwritten by someone else's; Riesen, on the other hand, has said that his stopped working when I used mine. I don't know any more details than that, but if it's not working you should be trying to demonstrate that, not complaining about your class sucking.
I don't know the nature of all of the heavy DPS necro DoTs, but I do know that the heaviest of them, Caress, should be stacking. Judging by
http://sod.camongrel.de/Class:Necromancer all the relic DoTs should be, as well. Which ones do not? Your snare, obviously, but what else? If you can demonstrate that a large portion of your DPS is negated in a multi-necro group/raid, you might well be able to get some changes made. It's going to take actual information, though, not just anecdotal complaints.
