No class should be balanced around one AA

Yeah, necros are back to always being terrible for exp groups

IDK how much it will effect raids, but i think the disease spread tome should just get changed.
 
with todays changes insidious infection and runic 1 seem pretty worthless now.

a heal is not too appealing. Necros already have channel essence line and their utility is good enough. I like the idea of adding dmg and an extra tick to some DoTs.

what if they had something similar to a wizards UB. A DoT has a small chance to do double damage for its duration or a chance a critical DoT tick would do triple dmg.
 
Nodnal said:
With these two tomes nerfed
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I can guarantee you that the insidious infection thing was never intended and frankly was obviously broken and exploity. It's supposed to spread a disease effect from one diseased NPC to one non-diseased NPC, not recast an entire AE spell on everything around whenever one non-diseased NPC stumbles by.

I wondered why all the complaints about the tome suddenly stopped like two years ago. Now I know: you were all exploiting it.
 
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If that is the case, then that tome is severely lacking and kind of bad. Diseases last for a long time, mobs do not. Does it not even refresh the DoT on a mob that already has it? It never worked with Scitterpox properly anyway.
 
Nodnal said:
If that is the case, then that tome is severely lacking and kind of bad. Diseases last for a long time, mobs do not. Does it not even refresh the DoT on a mob that already has it? It never worked with Scitterpox properly anyway.
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It's probably a bad tome, especially if you're not chain-pulling, but that can be addressed somewhere else.

Really, no one thought it was odd that a tome would be made to help exactly one spell that it never mentioned in its text?
 
Considering there are only two disease spells to use I don't think it was crazy to think it would be good with one of them. Necros are pretty bad in groups with the way DoTs work anyway and diseases were never (ever) used in exp. groups before HB or this tome were around. Honestly, there are only a few pulls in Citadel and Rust Factory that this tome works really well in (maybe too well). In 99% of other situations, HB is too expensive to cast to warrant the 310 base initial damage re-proc.

Also, Velleity and Glorax have been vocal about all of these "combinations" for a while now and they were nerfed once. I don't think anyone thought this was a secret except for Woldaff.
 
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Bindings of the Beyond

6 sec cast
10 min recast
20 sec duration
Targetted Debuff
-50 MR check

All dot damage mob receives is totalled for the duration of the debuff.
Upon fade, mob takes damage equal to twice that of the total dot damage received.

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the focal point of a necro revamp should focus on changing the ways in which they can dps, so that its not a "nerf" but a change that makes good button pushers better, and bad ones worse.

-Pazms
 
If you are going to gut my class, how about fixing scitterpox which only procs on party members and has for a year. Also, the reapplication of HB was the 1/3 dps that allowed us, me and glorax, to post in the top 5 on occasion on two(2) bosses of the 6 we do. We still usually came in 5th and below rangers the other 4.

We will now do less dps then bards. wizards are now the kings of burst AND SUSTAINED caster dps and have been for a year. so whats my class niche, filling a raid spot that every other dps class fills better? dot damage reduction on bosses with 6 1/2 million hp is negligible.
 
Also, to accuse me of cheating in a thread where I lay out what HB formerly did just beggars belief. And completely ignores glorax and my asking that it be made stanceable over a year ago as well as pointing out through back channels that it was too good. I know the view of necros here is hostile, but jesus christ.
 
Boehm said:
dot damage reduction on bosses with 6 1/2 million hp is negligible.
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The HP part of the DoT weaking calc caps at 75000. Pretty much a guaranteed 10% NPC damage reduction at high tiers. Score one for retarded assumptions.

I would love to help Necros. I can assure I remember complaints about not being able to turn the tome effect on and off. I can also assure you that I never heard anything about it being too good through "back channels," whoever that would be. I'm not sure how Woldaff came to hear about it, but I would really, really doubt if he ever read this thread or ever will or knows Necros have anything to complain about at all.

I'm curious how you could say that I'm gutting your class and that the tome only helped for two (2) fights in the same breath.

I would have loved to hear discussion about ideas to replace Festering Curse from more than three people, one of whom doesn't even play a Necro as far as I know. But surprise surprise, no one, including the original poster, could be bothered to say much of anything, even a simple "that's a neat idea" or "that idea sucks for these reasons," or any post in this thread at all until there was a shitstorm to justify it.

I'm sorry for being so hostile to your class by being the only person interesting in helping, I guess.
 
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I would have loved to hear discussion about ideas to replace Festering Curse from more than three people, one of whom doesn't even play a Necro as far as I know. But surprise surprise, no one, including the original poster, could be bothered to say much of anything, even a simple "that's a neat idea" or "that idea sucks for these reasons," or any post in this thread at all until there was a shitstorm to justify it.
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I also really don't understand why so many people seem disinterested in this stuff, but it seems to be the case most of the time.

I feel like replacing FC with any of the minor utility/fun AA, and generally buffing dots is the way to go. Maybe also just replace insidious.
 
can we change call of the blessed also for the same reasons outlined in this thread? i agree long-recast stuff sucks even if it's super powerful it's just nice to have something always available. since we radically sped up downtime, the long recast stuff feels very artificial now and should probably be changed. looking forward to more ideas!
 
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