Woe is terribad and it not an alternative to Cockwork bow. And it's definitely not a T8 bow.
Fix Bow Progression Statting
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Woe is terribad and it not an alternative to Cockwork bow. And it's definitely not a T8 bow.
Your statement about dagger is total bullshit and it not the case anymore.
Nwaij
Dalayan Pious Diety
His statement about tank BPs is true though. And even more so if you look at caster robes.
Otcho
Dalayan Pious Diety
The daggers are still the case, everyone will have an obsidian shanker end of story. Woe is entirely comparable and its basically required if you dont want to be an annoying mez breaking dirtbag ranger. Parses on eustace/foley showed the difference is minimal and the only real difference was when you got giantkinned with the old haste version.
T8 Bow, lol. The point is you arent forced to use clockwork and you have other options to upgrading it. If we still only had flarewynd I would agree but the undercity bow removed the big empty bow void. Sorry to disagree with you.
If you think you have vast choices in high end gear your fooling yourself
T8 Bow, lol. The point is you arent forced to use clockwork and you have other options to upgrading it. If we still only had flarewynd I would agree but the undercity bow removed the big empty bow void. Sorry to disagree with you.
If you think you have vast choices in high end gear your fooling yourself
No it's not. You all wear Fahranniath robe which is easy to get and you have plenty of options before that. The robe kicks ass.
Nothing right now is comparable to bow progression T7-T10.
Seeing T9 rangers wearing Cockwork bow for 2 fucking years is a problem though.
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There's this bow called Crossbow Of Tenacity to not mez target, i mean i know, i use it.
I understand that adding Serizus bow probaby helped the void but there's still one.
No there are NO feasible options to clockwork bow right now. Serizus bow is not a T8 bow. It's a T9 bow, borderline T10.
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Otcho
Dalayan Pious Diety
Let me explain this again.
Originally:
Shit bows-> Clockwork /Woe -> Flarewynd -> Mystery masalvir
Shit daggers-> Obsidian Shanker -> Mystery mercy
Then undercity came around and dropped two miracle babies into the mix that COMPLETELY fixed the void. If your using the same bow for two years your guild sucks.
I'm all for more selection but really your situation is not any different then every other class
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Pretty sure I'll be using the same bow for two years =P
I'm still far more concerned with the actual statting, it sucks to have to use the same bow for forever, but thats the nature of the beast. Rogues (prechange) could buy a 17dmg piercer and then have to raid into like tier4 to get a replacement.
I'm still far more concerned with the actual statting, it sucks to have to use the same bow for forever, but thats the nature of the beast. Rogues (prechange) could buy a 17dmg piercer and then have to raid into like tier4 to get a replacement.
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Nwaij
Dalayan Pious Diety
Oh, seeing T9 rangers (1 class) wearing the same weapon for 2 years is a problem, but seeing T9+ nameyourcasterclass (4 classes) wearing the same robe for 2+ years is not a problem?
I question your logic an call biass.
NeoReloaded
Dalayan Elder
Foley used a Kedgemetal bow until he got the Clockwork one. After that, I snagged Woe from a random Yashira raid to use during CC-dependant fights. Honestly, this is bow progression:
T0-T6: Kedgemetal Crossbow or Soul Seeker (the BoE one from The Deepshade or w/e the fuck the zone was called). Swiftshot is also a good choice.
T5-T7: You get Crossbow of Tenacity from Valor, Misery from Torment.
T7-T9: oshittt moar bows!! Woe from Yashira, Bloodseeker from Ritualist in CoD, Clockwork bow.
T9-T10: You have the UC bow, or Flarewynd.
T10-T11: You get Masalavir.
Srsly, you can probably use the Clockwork bow until you get Masalavir. it's a rilly gud bow brah
T0-T6: Kedgemetal Crossbow or Soul Seeker (the BoE one from The Deepshade or w/e the fuck the zone was called). Swiftshot is also a good choice.
T5-T7: You get Crossbow of Tenacity from Valor, Misery from Torment.
T7-T9: oshittt moar bows!! Woe from Yashira, Bloodseeker from Ritualist in CoD, Clockwork bow.
T9-T10: You have the UC bow, or Flarewynd.
T10-T11: You get Masalavir.
Srsly, you can probably use the Clockwork bow until you get Masalavir. it's a rilly gud bow brah
Rofl. No.
Wearing the same damn robe which is 1 ) easy to get ( arguably but still ) 2 ) very good 3 ) have plenty of decent robes before that is not a call bias. It's a fact.
The other 3 classes you are talking about i really don't give a damn about to be honest, I'm a ranger and I am only specialized in playing rangers so I cannot talk about the others. I just thought this situation was pretty darned clear and there was a void for ALL the reasons i stated earlier
I agree with your progression for the most part but the T7-9 part and the one after, T9-T10.
UC bow is not accessible to T9 guilds for the most part. Bane is T9 and they can't drop final two in UC. There's only 2 guilds right now that can/ does drop Serizus.
UC is a 4 + hours clear, MINIMUM if you don't wipe too much.
And the mob itself is NOT easy.
I know people are saying I'm probably arguing over this to get a better bow off of a easier target. This is not the case. I'll get the UC bow eventually, it's not even an issue.
But there IS a gap from T8 beginning to Serizus bow.
Would adding a bow on a T8 target unbalance something ? Not at all. It would just make rangers more DIVERSE and be content until they can finally catch flarewynd or that Serizus bow.
NeoReloaded
Dalayan Elder
actually, i'll correct myself on that; Serizus is supposed to be a T10 fight. T10-T11 is around where you should be getting Flarewynd/Branch
Is it even fair to compare a Weapon for a melee DPS class to a robe for DPS class? 1 Robe for a caster doesn't make or break them like a melee DPS weapon.
Nwaij
Dalayan Pious Diety
So lets talk about caster DPS then.
Relics around T4-6
Archaics around T7 or whatever IP is.
Then.... NOTHING, in forever.
And here is a cry ranger complaining that he doesn't get a shiny new bow handed at every tier.
EDIT: @ Jadelia:
4 classes are 4 caster classes, aka NEC WIZ MAG ENC.
Serizus is supposed to be a T9 fight, atleast that is what Zaela told me when the zone was released. (Exact words were something in the lines of "Around High Chieftain Farhanniath difficulty").
Farhanniath has 4 bosses you need to take down in front of him. Serizus has 3 bosses in front of him you need to take down - 4 if you count a certain piece of furniture, wich is skippable for the most times.
Bane not being able to take down Serizus just means that they have not yet come up with a strat. It's not my fault (or anyones really) that ToT strats are known to wider parts of the server then UC strats.
And let me finish with that I still call biass on you.
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Sorry about UC you are wrong:
Welcoming commitee
Primalist
Leech Lord
Ganlak
Barrel ( optional like you said )
Then comes Serizus
He's not on par with fahranniath, fahranniath is garbage compared to him. The strat is harder to figure out, harder to pull off, and the mob in general is harder because of the clock ticking on him for the most part. Farhanniath is just the combination of all the other farfags put together.
That is not even considering ganlak, who is not a pushover himself because you need T9 + tanks and some insane DPS for a part of the fight.
I have no Bias, i'll have the Branch eventually. You sir are full of shit if you call me bias for trying to have empathy for other rangers.
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Nwaij
Dalayan Pious Diety
Optional.
Serizus is supposed to be on par with farhanniath. If you fail at executing his strat (or rather, figuring it out correctly...), thats not my fault.
Anyways, I wish you good luck on getting his bow, and qq some more about bows meanwhile if you like...
He's not optional, the mist won't go away if you don't kill him in front of Primalist.
lol
Keep arguing like you know what you are talking about.
Because obviously if a mob is supposed to be on par with another, it means it is right ? Can you have better arguments please ?
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Dimmi
Dalayan Elder
I'm still holding to the Mahdi being the saviour of us all (badum-tchsh)
Aeternus had Maysun loot (according to the wiki) from pofire before we'd even finished off valor B, without doing a hellishly long clear of pofire
Dare I say....without killing Maysun even once....
Hello Kalila:
http://shardsofdalaya.com/fomelo/fomelo.php?char=zawrlith
This thread is getting nasty fast, and the arguement I keep seeing is:
I don't want the same item everyone else has, but I don't want to kill different mobs from everyone else because it takes too much effort
vs
Welcome to SoD, that's how raiding works
I even posted a bow that's in game that I'm pretty sure you can obtain from 2 different encounters in a T6-7 zone. You said put a new bow just like Mahdi in pofrost b/c nobody kills pofrost, then said Mahdi doesn't count b/c nobody kills pofire, then said Mahdi was a downgrade from the clockwork bow despite being better in literally every way aside from being like 25 range shorter. I am confuzzled.
Aeternus had Maysun loot (according to the wiki) from pofire before we'd even finished off valor B, without doing a hellishly long clear of pofire
Dare I say....without killing Maysun even once....
Hello Kalila:
http://shardsofdalaya.com/fomelo/fomelo.php?char=zawrlith
This thread is getting nasty fast, and the arguement I keep seeing is:
I don't want the same item everyone else has, but I don't want to kill different mobs from everyone else because it takes too much effort
vs
Welcome to SoD, that's how raiding works
I even posted a bow that's in game that I'm pretty sure you can obtain from 2 different encounters in a T6-7 zone. You said put a new bow just like Mahdi in pofrost b/c nobody kills pofrost, then said Mahdi doesn't count b/c nobody kills pofire, then said Mahdi was a downgrade from the clockwork bow despite being better in literally every way aside from being like 25 range shorter. I am confuzzled.