Fix Bow Progression Statting

Cyzaine said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, and not understanding the complaints, but the issue people seem to be complaining about is:

Bow upgrades exist, but they are too hard to get.

Everyone seems to agree Clockwork bow is a good bow to have, and that before that progression is fine (since no one is complaining about it), and afterwards its bad.

So in clockworks case the bow being on the last mob is fine, because 'you can just go straight to him'. Its not good in pofire, undercity because its too difficult... so the solution at hand is to put better bows on easier mobs???

Bows are DAMN powerful for rangers, and mostly ignored by everyone else. Good ranger bows are going to be hard to get, and it really seems like the Clockwork bow is whats throwing things off compared to how we want them. Not that, that will change, but damn you should have to work for upgrades.

Also long live Flarebolt.
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It's not how easy it is, It's the amount of effort you have to put into it. CW is appropriate for his tier but compared to other zones like PoFire you can run straight to him and snipe. With other zones u gotta do alot of clearing or kill nameds in a sequence for a chance at the bow. Same with thaz, It's not that it was extremely too easy for its tier (like all the T11 people think it is cuz their T11 Lol ) but the effort required to get the items was. The solution would be making CW more of a pain in the ass to get to not making his Tier higher. Hence your 1 Hour event is now a 4 hour event. EI Maybe CW can only be activated if ALL rust bosses are downed or something.

Same with thaz if they would of made the zone where you had to active the named mobs with gems from another zone you had to farm, Or you had more trash to clear. Anything really that increases the time spent doing the encounters would of been of much better help then just increases it's difficultly. This would of helped with Higher-Tiered people farming for alts as much or as fast. Compared to just improving the difficulty which doesn't hurt the higher-tiered people at all cuz it's just a slight inconvenience for them now. It only punishes lower tiered guild progression to do more farming and back gearing.
 
Zaela said:
This thread isn't about bitching about Thaz changes, take that somewhere else.

Besides which, I think it's pretty clear that the suggestion there was to nerf the clockwork bow, not make clockwork harder (which I seem to recall you being all for in a different context).
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Dimmi : Yes the bow is SLIGHTLY better but it does not motivate anyone to go that deep in PoFire to get it. And the Damage is definitely not better than Clockwork bow. The ratio is a bit irrelevant as far as ranger bows are concerned, high damage one with identical ratio... you take the high damage one unless the stats are completely insane which is never really the case for ranger bow ( minus serizus and masalavir ).

Zaela / Cyzy : I don't think nerfing Clockwork bow would really solve the issue.
There are two T7 mobs that drops bows.

Maliah and Clockwork.

Even if you make Clockwork tougher to get, I don't see people going in Plane of Fire for the ranger to get a bow. But maybe people would bother more with Endurance Trial for the T6 one.

But the main issue i wanted to adress was the lack of any bow on T8 mobs, and there are PLENTY of T8 mobs... =p So pretty much all rangers have to resort at using the only decent bow that isn't too hard to get. And it's not exactly hard to get either ( unless you're unlucky like me and not get one in 4-5 kills )

Being stuck with Clockwork bow until you can actually kill Serizus (or until you are lucky enough to get Flarewynd isn't a smooth transition.
 
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Cyzaine said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, and not understanding the complaints, but the issue people seem to be complaining about is:

Bow upgrades exist, but they are too hard to get.

Everyone seems to agree Clockwork bow is a good bow to have, and that before that progression is fine (since no one is complaining about it), and afterwards its bad.

So in clockworks case the bow being on the last mob is fine, because 'you can just go straight to him'. Its not good in pofire, undercity because its too difficult... so the solution at hand is to put better bows on easier mobs???

Bows are DAMN powerful for rangers, and mostly ignored by everyone else. Good ranger bows are going to be hard to get, and it really seems like the Clockwork bow is whats throwing things off compared to how we want them. Not that, that will change, but damn you should have to work for upgrades.

Also long live Flarebolt.
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That's pretty much the issue.

Not necessarily to put better bows on easier mobs, they're fine as it is. But having a transition bow in Tier8 would make it less shitty for rangers of this caliber. Make clockwork a bit harder to get ( if that is even possible ) and a bow in T8 would make this pretty smooth IMO.

EDIT: And it's a bit sad to see plane of fire get so little attention but you guys already know the zone is not very popular.
 
Jotigidou said:
That's pretty much the issue.

Not necessarily to put better bows on easier mobs, they're fine as it is. But having a transition bow in Tier8 would make it less shitty for rangers of this caliber. Make clockwork a bit harder to get ( if that is even possible ) and a bow in T8 would make this pretty smooth IMO.

EDIT: And it's a bit sad to see plane of fire get so little attention but you guys already know the zone is not very popular.
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Outer city Pofire gets alot of attention, Guardian Mephit for the greater arftifact too. PoFire ends at the guardian right?
 
See thats what I never got... if you go as far as the guardian, its not much farther to 2-3 bosses in rapid succession. Clearing a path thru the 2nd city is the tedious part of it all.
 
Timewise it takes a while to clear out most of the city and the trash on the way to Maysun and then the trash outside towards brothers because that trash usually gets skipped by either porting to the city or skirting around it. It is a pretty big clear that you wouldn't otherwise undertake, even though Maysun's loot is good.
 
This thread started off talking about bows having shitty stats. What was the verdict on that part of the discussion?
 
Cyzaine said:
Everyone seems to agree Clockwork bow is a good bow to have, and that before that progression is fine (since no one is complaining about it), and afterwards its bad.

Flarebolt.
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I know that this has passed for the most part, but bow progression before Clockwork is balanced in the fact that there are obvious improvements (Swiftshot->Windsinger->Misery->PoValor bow). I am not 100% sure where the bow that drops in entropy fits. However like the "issue" with clockwork we find an abundance of two of these bows in particular. Swiftshot and Windsinger. Why is that? I because both bows can come from easyish mobs(s). Neither bow requires a dedicated 3 hour raid to get as a reward. Due to that, it is rather uncommon to see Misery or the PoValor bow because they take much more time to obtain. The blackbolt (poentropy bow) is one I have never seen a ranger use. That is most likely due to the complete level of hate that many people at that tier have for the zone.

Long story short, the same "issue" that is seen at tier 9 can also be seen pre-clockwork. There is one raid droppable bow that floods its range because it is much easier to get than the others. I personally have never complained because I thought that this was intended to allow for one decent upgrade to be obtain easily in comparison to the better bows at its tier.

Also, please God do not nerf the clockwork bow. I remember a progression thread from awhile back that showed the intended ratio progression and all of it fit. I would be forced to sacrifice puppies in an attempt to get a bow other than windsinger, and we all know that sacrificing puppies is bad.
 
rangers get nered every 1-3-month anyways, Wont bother me much personally im used to it. Although i was quite contempt with them buffing ranger track which was awesome.
 
Jade, expecting a new bow every single tier that is a clear upgrade to the previous one is kinda unrealistic. Loot progression rarely works that way for any slot in SoD.

Besides, i've seen numerous bows from cod, valor, yashira, etc and every single time the raid groans. Bows simply fill such a small niche that adding any more isn't really something I can support.
 
Dinadass said:
Jade, expecting a new bow every single tier that is a clear upgrade to the previous one is kinda unrealistic. Loot progression rarely works that way for any slot in SoD.

Besides, i've seen numerous bows from cod, valor, yashira, etc and every single time the raid groans. Bows simply fill such a small niche that adding any more isn't really something I can support.
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Still think it'd be awesome to make bows to have enough stats where a tank would actually consider using one in combat, Help loot log, Help rots, helps warriors not having to try and stumble over using a bow on a pull and tank item on engage, Helps rangers (Hyrbid tanks Druid + Warrior ).
 
Every high end tank knows that ranges mean nothing because they share the slot with your malo doll.
 
Lockon97 said:
rangers get nered every 1-3-month anyways, Wont bother me much personally im used to it. Although i was quite contempt with them buffing ranger track which was awesome.
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Name me the last nerf. I think you have rangers confused with tanks.
 
Dinadass said:
Jade, expecting a new bow every single tier that is a clear upgrade to the previous one is kinda unrealistic. Loot progression rarely works that way for any slot in SoD.

Besides, i've seen numerous bows from cod, valor, yashira, etc and every single time the raid groans. Bows simply fill such a small niche that adding any more isn't really something I can support.
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Unrealistic ? What is unrealistic about not wanting every damn rangers to have the same bow ? lol. I don't want a CLEAR upgrade, I just think having a T8 bow would be a great idea and an alternative to that stupid bow that Cockwork drops =P
 
every rogue has the same old dagger and every tank has the same old bp, if you don't get something new its your/your guilds fault. The items exist.

You have an alternative to the clockwork bow, its called woe.
 
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