I have np with YOU taking YOUR toons to WHEREVER you want, The problem stems from, "I am going to wreck T8-10 to gear my alt and have all my buddys help me wreck these tiers for the next few weeks", OR, "_____ tells guild,'I have otcho info lets go kill gens". Thats what the issue is and why these rules are popping up. I purpose a play nice rule that exists in a total gray area. "Do not box a ringer toon just to content you couldn't otherwise do without it, No boxing Otcho for Generals if it really isn't him on his own toon." Could be self enforced with something as simple as, "We find out you violated this rule expect 2 weeks in jail on all toons involved". Problem solved, idk if Tao and your guild have grown out of touch with this but, the whole, People snitchin / talking / rumor thing stops alot of people across the server from breaking various rules that have no real means of enforcement if everyone involved could be trusted to keep there trap shut. This would be no different.
Weaken the anti-pug rule
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Obscenitor
Dalayan Elder
The fact that you are using ToT/Generals (a zone and encounter that are completely legal to PuG) in combination with Otcho (who plays his own toon flagged within Goon Squad) as an example honestly has me perplexed as it has absolutely nothing to do with what is being discussed.
Edit: on topic -- why can't we simply amend the rule to say that you have to have an X:X ratio of a single guild and anyone out of guild if what we are trying to prevent is PuGs as opposed to friends not under the same guild tag raiding.
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Obscenitor
Dalayan Elder
One tank hardly trivializes generals, but regardless -- I was actually perplexed that you are using as an example a zone that is legal to PuG in a thread discussing reducing the stringency of the current rule.
But --
We can all agree that OOC PuGs are not fun, however, raiding with friends is.
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Obscenitor
Dalayan Elder
Generals do not do much damage to the tanks even on tier, the difficulty to the fight is in positioning, kiting, and crowd control. All of which cannot be trivialized with 1 tank.
So removing the need for more then 3 people (1 Being said SK) watching this toons health, freeing up EVERYONE else to do other things, Didn't trivialize it at all. Yep, ok. and what positioning was there and what cc was there i told you a druid just kited the entire fucking thing with runic heal
Zapple
Dalayan Elder
i thought the original reason these rules popped up was because solosolki was making pugs recruiting from ooc for sanctum and abyss, and some nerds were getting super angry about their current stomping grounds being pugged
that was actually otcho playing his own character just to let you know, getting mad at pulling farhags by himself with a shadowknight and then later kiting things in the actual generals fight because they don't even really hit that hard. that content isn't even on the list as you probably know
that was actually otcho playing his own character just to let you know, getting mad at pulling farhags by himself with a shadowknight and then later kiting things in the actual generals fight because they don't even really hit that hard. that content isn't even on the list as you probably know
Tesselajnen
Dalayan Adventurer
If you step back a bit (you = Exo people that are negative to change PuG rules) and look beyond the fact that the progression targets you have atm could be PuGable again (Wich of course you guys do not want to happen...) Do you really, I mean REALLY, agree with the PuG rules as it is today?
You are probably a minority on server in that case....
You are probably a minority on server in that case....
jew_nose_it
Dalayan Master
If you guys want to raid with goon squid, either play toons on their tier that are flagged goon squad or figure something else out. I don't think it's fair to allow T13 toons to be doing IP mobs regardless of whether or not the guild they are raiding with can kill the content.. Just play another toon if that's what you want to do, I'm sure a guild as old as goon squad has a lot of toons lying around, and I'm sure FWF does too.
I don't think Exo cares if IP is allowed to be puggable again. And it won't even be puggable, it's going to be co raided by 2 guilds in cooperation.
Look how long its taken guilds to even start nipping on FWFs' heels, the same can be said about Exo and to a lesser extent CW.
I don't think Exo cares if IP is allowed to be puggable again. And it won't even be puggable, it's going to be co raided by 2 guilds in cooperation.
Look how long its taken guilds to even start nipping on FWFs' heels, the same can be said about Exo and to a lesser extent CW.
as a guild, No of course not i mean duh, but on that note as a guild we wouldn't care to much if ycilist/abyss/prison/the first 3 floors in spires ware puggable we might lose some alt loot but more importantly we might lose that 1 rare drop we have been killing it over and over for that would suck but on a whole no it wouldn't effect us now much, it would effect CW a-lot harder tho.
As a person, I don't need anything from any of the unpuggable zones but tur, So nope IDC on a personal level, but on a personal level (not guild influenced level), There needs to be some unpuggable zones so that there is some content for guilds-only so theres always something to kill/fight over/cockblock. Part of the fun is the competition with another guild not waking up and seeing a raid with 10 ringers getting phats for 1 alt and 7 random people from ooc who have no business in said zone
As a person, I don't need anything from any of the unpuggable zones but tur, So nope IDC on a personal level, but on a personal level (not guild influenced level), There needs to be some unpuggable zones so that there is some content for guilds-only so theres always something to kill/fight over/cockblock. Part of the fun is the competition with another guild not waking up and seeing a raid with 10 ringers getting phats for 1 alt and 7 random people from ooc who have no business in said zone
Obscenitor
Dalayan Elder
Why is everyone so focused on FWF, we are a small part of this server. This needs to be approached by looking at the server as a whole. Why should guilds like Novus Ordinatum/Prophecy/White Tees/Goon Squad/anyone else that has ever struggled with recruiting suffer because people are afraid what might happen if a tier 13 dude (the dozen or so of us that are active -- out of 400 active players) might raid with their friends 1-2 times a month?
This rule has the largest impact on guilds that are struggling to field raids of more than 12 real people but are very capable of cooperating with a like-minded guild. Oh and of course those of us that like to have fun with friends..
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cian2
Dalayan Master
I support this post
jew_nose_it
Dalayan Master
Because you are the people posting in this thread the most? And then we have Otcho complaining that he can't raid with GS and still get rots in FWF. I don't have a problem with allowing 2 same tier guilds to raid content together, but I have a problem allowing hightier guild/toons to swoop in and baby another guild through all content. Sanctuary is the one guild that comes to mind, and I fucking hated that entire situation. I don't understand why you are so upset you can't raid with GS in every zone, raid with them in the zones you can and enjoy your time spent doing that.
Also I have a scummy warrior alt that I would love to gear up by pugging every zone possible but I can't do that anymore, but I haven't complained about it yet. On the flip side I'm kind of happy I can't because I won't have to waste my time dragging a bunch of baddies through fights.
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