Man, I'm upset this wasn't an actual cless quote. I was like, oh I must have missed this and totally need to pull up the context of this because it's probably hilarious. And then it was an entirely different post. It's gm favoritism that keeps you from being banned for awful quote changing like this. Can we get a rule added about this, before I start a populous tinfoil movement to strike down the powers that be only to be replaced with a non-quote-changing regime?
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Man, I'm upset this wasn't an actual cless quote. I was like, oh I must have missed this and totally need to pull up the context of this because it's probably hilarious. And then it was an entirely different post. It's gm favoritism that keeps you from being banned for awful quote changing like this. Can we get a rule added about this, before I start a populous tinfoil movement to strike down the powers that be only to be replaced with a non-quote-changing regime?
aardvark10k
Dalayan Beginner
I think the GMs should ask themselves 'What would a blizzard GM do in this circumstance'. They have amazing support even with millions of subscribers.
Tarutao
Staff Emeritus
You know that me, Karit, and Nowaij are the only 3 active GMs atm, right? Tink and Tani are on break, and then me telling Sen, Entus, and Joujou to be patient with players who are breaking rules and being asshats about it convinced them they didn't want to GM.
I'm rather surprised I've gotten as many GM applications as I have, but the sentiments seem the same: some version of "I want to help the 95% of the server that's really great." That makes me hopeful.
By the way, Aelias (and quit hiding behind that forum name eqjenius to badmouth me), two of my co-workers were having a conversation regarding Diablo 3 that I only heard the tail end of. Can you tell me how that conversation went? All I really have to go on is one of them talking about the "point-and-click interface".
Answer: "Approximate wait time for your petition is 5 days. If there's a problem with ninja looting, whoever put in the first ticket will get the item and the other people in the group don't get a shot at it. If someone is cheating, griefing, harassing, or sending blatant physical threats, then you have no recourse but to cancel your account, and your money will not be refunded."
An improvement? I think not.
I'm rather surprised I've gotten as many GM applications as I have, but the sentiments seem the same: some version of "I want to help the 95% of the server that's really great." That makes me hopeful.
By the way, Aelias (and quit hiding behind that forum name eqjenius to badmouth me), two of my co-workers were having a conversation regarding Diablo 3 that I only heard the tail end of. Can you tell me how that conversation went? All I really have to go on is one of them talking about the "point-and-click interface".
Answer: "Approximate wait time for your petition is 5 days. If there's a problem with ninja looting, whoever put in the first ticket will get the item and the other people in the group don't get a shot at it. If someone is cheating, griefing, harassing, or sending blatant physical threats, then you have no recourse but to cancel your account, and your money will not be refunded."
An improvement? I think not.
If you guys had to replace an item, fix idiotic mistakes all the times... how much time does it take to fix a mistake, and how many petitions do you actually get per week in average ? Just curious.
I mean, I understand people sucking on Blizzard's customer support's cock, they make good games. How much money do they make a year ? Okay yeah, they made 700 millions in net revenues each quarter last year. I'm pretty sure they can afford having 10-20 clowns per server fixing dumb mistakes at 45k per year each.
Not sure the comparison is valid though...!
Loxo
Dalayan Elder
People just don't respect a process of law and those who enforce it with common sense or compassion or consideration as much as an Iron Draconian Fist.
Ban all dissenters and a few innocents to drive the message home.
There's no place for understanding on the internet, so expecting to get it is about as hopeless as expecting it to work.
Ban all dissenters and a few innocents to drive the message home.
There's no place for understanding on the internet, so expecting to get it is about as hopeless as expecting it to work.
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I find it so weird when you actually respond to something because you don't respond to PMs and you didn't respond when I asked you a question in the thread. But this obviously made-up shit that I only wrote to illustrate a point, that's the stuff that gets your attention.
Calling me a coward is easier than responding to the point, I guess. Does it bother you that there are at least 5 currently active members of CW that used to donate until they got upset with staff and stopped? Maybe donations aren't needed. Maybe the server is just in ultra whine-mode right now, and the game environment has nothing to do with the perception players have of it.
I'd be happy to bring this stuff up in PMs rather than in public, but you don't respond to those so I posted here when someone else brought up the same problem.
I'll make a deal with you. If you respond to my PMs I'll put my name in my signature. I get a response and you can be comfortable in the knowledge that your calls of cowardice are addressed to the proper recipient. Win win.
jew_nose_it
Dalayan Master
If you don't think arcibu deserved to be banned you're opinion is not worth listening to, Aelias. Also you're dumb.
Great detective work there, Tao. I almost hoodwinked everyone with my scandalous lies.
but you are worth listening to....aaahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaaa
So like sometime last week i did something dumb, i put a type 2 slot restricted aug in something i shouldn't have. These augs poof on deaug and thats fine, but they are restricted to Chest/Legs, I put it in my hat just not thinking about it, was our first kill of said monster and i made a booboo. So i petitioned.
After explaining things to the GM the GM went on to tell me to hold tight well she talked to jumbers, Jumbers gets back to her and says there is no way to make the restrictions on these augs actually do anything and that i cannot have my aug back. After talking with the GM for 10min or so praying to get my aug back it did not happen and that was of little surprise. The GM who helped me however would have been more than happy typing at most 4 commands to restore this item for me.
We had fun killing a dragon, I made a booboo, and one you could almost say was both server and player error. However do the current policy's this GM could not help me and i left the situation feeling very bummed out and it kind of ruined the buzz from killing something new. Did i fuck up? Yes. Was it kind of a gray area that the GM dealing with the petition at the time should have been able to handle themselfs if they so felt the need? Yes. It cannot take more then, Read petition, Ask necessary question in staff channel if applicable, type out 3 commands 4 if we are not in the same zone. Poof me and also my group would have felt less bummed out by my error and it would have taken 4min to accomplish.
Dealing with PEOPLE is not a black and white thing and with the current atmosphere (Deserved or not), Just losing up on a couple of these things and being a bit more public about the more public bannings/jailing/what have you, Will go infinitely further then being a super tight ass about the rules/player error and leaving everyone with a bad taste in there mouth after a petition.
As for arcibu getting banned, I mean idk i guess i should have reason to sympathize but, Using "cheats" 4 years ago on a toon thats banned, Rerolling and never breaking a real rule sense, Is not even on the same level as threatening a staff member with physical violence and calling them a cunt or some such thing.
After explaining things to the GM the GM went on to tell me to hold tight well she talked to jumbers, Jumbers gets back to her and says there is no way to make the restrictions on these augs actually do anything and that i cannot have my aug back. After talking with the GM for 10min or so praying to get my aug back it did not happen and that was of little surprise. The GM who helped me however would have been more than happy typing at most 4 commands to restore this item for me.
We had fun killing a dragon, I made a booboo, and one you could almost say was both server and player error. However do the current policy's this GM could not help me and i left the situation feeling very bummed out and it kind of ruined the buzz from killing something new. Did i fuck up? Yes. Was it kind of a gray area that the GM dealing with the petition at the time should have been able to handle themselfs if they so felt the need? Yes. It cannot take more then, Read petition, Ask necessary question in staff channel if applicable, type out 3 commands 4 if we are not in the same zone. Poof me and also my group would have felt less bummed out by my error and it would have taken 4min to accomplish.
Dealing with PEOPLE is not a black and white thing and with the current atmosphere (Deserved or not), Just losing up on a couple of these things and being a bit more public about the more public bannings/jailing/what have you, Will go infinitely further then being a super tight ass about the rules/player error and leaving everyone with a bad taste in there mouth after a petition.
As for arcibu getting banned, I mean idk i guess i should have reason to sympathize but, Using "cheats" 4 years ago on a toon thats banned, Rerolling and never breaking a real rule sense, Is not even on the same level as threatening a staff member with physical violence and calling them a cunt or some such thing.
Otcho
Dalayan Pious Diety
If you think a player who goes out of his way to exploit obvious oversights while also trying his best to ruin the gameplay experience of others should not have been banned or atleast jailed for a very very long time you are a moron.
In regards to arcibu. I am glad he was stupid enough to post a real life threat even if it was a joke. This is the only scenario I will be glad about iron fist rule enforcements because this guy deserved to be banned 2 years ago.
How anyone can defend this guys behavior and actions is ridiculous. If your wondering why I hate this piece of shit enough to bring this up in this post, I was a victim of him exploiting bugs in emberflow to wipe my group or attempt to do it. Multiple times I had to deal with him flopping back to mobs to hit us with suppression when it was zone wide or bard busting us/ other zone wide shit at the time and absolutely nothing happened to him. This is not mentioning how not two weeks could go by without someone being trained by him intentionally with him even going as far to brag about it. Lets not forget a cool time where he wiped a generals raid at 2% by loading a bot to aggro tarhyl. Yeah fuck arcibu.
In regards to arcibu. I am glad he was stupid enough to post a real life threat even if it was a joke. This is the only scenario I will be glad about iron fist rule enforcements because this guy deserved to be banned 2 years ago.
How anyone can defend this guys behavior and actions is ridiculous. If your wondering why I hate this piece of shit enough to bring this up in this post, I was a victim of him exploiting bugs in emberflow to wipe my group or attempt to do it. Multiple times I had to deal with him flopping back to mobs to hit us with suppression when it was zone wide or bard busting us/ other zone wide shit at the time and absolutely nothing happened to him. This is not mentioning how not two weeks could go by without someone being trained by him intentionally with him even going as far to brag about it. Lets not forget a cool time where he wiped a generals raid at 2% by loading a bot to aggro tarhyl. Yeah fuck arcibu.
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Greetings friends,
I believe my name was confused here with another GM. I was told I was too nice and lovable. Okay, maybe not the latter, but I simply stopped playing Shards of Dalaya.
Regards,
Nice guy Mazi
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Or "Player I know you spent 8+ months (sorry...casual player with twin babies at the time...) working on your shaman mask quest, and then you accidentally looted the final item from Yaralith in excitement on your monk, and, in shock, sat in Yaralith's room for 8 and a half hours hoping the petition would get answered, but it's only gonna take me about ten seconds to go: 'You should have been more careful' Petition Closed" (no exaggerations there)
The only reason I kept playing the game after about a week off was that I knew I would always be disgusted until that quest was finished, even if I ended up quitting right after the final turn in. I think the playerbase here whines way way too much about things in a free game, and it personally kinda drives me nuts, but that one event made it difficult for me to ever really side against them in these types of arguments. For all I know Rari is a great person, etc. etc., but that is a name I will never forget.
aardvark10k
Dalayan Beginner
In situations where a player loots an item on the wrong character and it truly is an accident, there is no reason not to move it. I get a feeling that sometimes the GMs just want players to suffer because 'they are dumb' when in reality they just made a mistake.
Furrygamer
Dalayan Adventurer
In Hugh's situation I do not understand how it could be unreasonable to do the move. Any other class having the item is unusable and it is known to double boxes.
Player stupidity or accidents (take your pick) on such a subject being denied his request is rather unbecoming. If a GM is that unreasonable with an easy to distinguish from other types, then perhaps it should be looked into more applications for the GM position. It is understandable that after a while they get burned out on the constant barrage of petitions but perhaps when they get to that point they should step down for a while.
Player stupidity or accidents (take your pick) on such a subject being denied his request is rather unbecoming. If a GM is that unreasonable with an easy to distinguish from other types, then perhaps it should be looked into more applications for the GM position. It is understandable that after a while they get burned out on the constant barrage of petitions but perhaps when they get to that point they should step down for a while.
First of all, rules are in place for structure. Structure is an important concept not only limited to Shards of Dalaya. It's important to maintain structure regardless of outcome. Now, what you should be arguing is, "Why is this rule in place?" And the best way to go about something of that nature is presenting a case with evidence, facts and reasoning to Tarutao.
tl;dr - You have a problem with the rules not the GM's.
aardvark10k
Dalayan Beginner
I personally believe that quest items should be able to be transferred if the person loots it on their alt and can't do the quest at all. For instance, if someone were to loot a archaic spell fragment on their wrong box or like in the previous example, looted a quest piece on the wrong character.
Now if someone loots an item and decides that their guildmate or alt would be better off, then that totally wouldn't be done. But for a mistake or something, especially with quests, I don't see why not.
Really though the GMs should ask "Will this result in the player being happy while staying within the rules?".
Now if someone loots an item and decides that their guildmate or alt would be better off, then that totally wouldn't be done. But for a mistake or something, especially with quests, I don't see why not.
Really though the GMs should ask "Will this result in the player being happy while staying within the rules?".
Mazi, the problem with that whole bit there is that this part of the argument simply isn't true.
Maintaining structure merely for the sake of doing so isn't virtuous in the least bit. If a given framework is worthwhile, perhaps it should be maintained. When it is not, maintaining order because of the idea that "without order there will be chaos" is not the right path.
What people are saying in this thread is that the rules could use some work and so could the enforcement branch. Blindly enforcing some of these policies contrary to what common sense implementation would be doesn't go far towards making the end-user happy.
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