The "Six Man" Policy hassle..

Taryth said:
I find it odd you think everyone else cheats like this.

I'm sorry if the change makes it harder to cheat. Wait, no I'm not.



Precisely. Good thing we don't log either.

The solution is simple. STOP CIRCUMVENTING RULES. 99% of this server plays fairly and gets along. But you want to call this out and make it a big deal? Be my guest. This is NOT a common occurrence, despite your saying so.
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at what point am I cheating? Where in the rules does it say you can't cast a buff on yourself OUTSIDE of 6 man? Is it legal for me to gate back to athica to get cunning but not in a freelancing xp area? No one is cheating here

And also I don't think. I have been guilded with half of your guild mates and they all did the same thing
 
sabuti said:
My point is, that I and everyone else on the entire server is still going to run from rohk, all the way to sivak castle, cast cunning, then run all the way back down to get around these rules
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Do this, and we'll jail you. Do this again, and we'll jail you even longer. Purposely violating the spirit of the rule is indeed punishable.
sabuti said:
at what point am I cheating? Where in the rules does it say you can't cast a buff on yourself OUTSIDE of 6 man? Is it legal for me to gate back to athica to get cunning but not in a freelancing xp area? No one is cheating here
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Except for this:
Nwaij said:
Noone runs a BST in EF to the point where the actual wings start to get cunning for MT/MK/MB. Why anyone thought this would be acceptable for Rohk contrary to EF nameds is the real question.
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So yeah. Cheating, right there. Don't do it, people.
 
Nwaij said:
Do this, and we'll jail you. Do this again, and we'll jail you even longer. Purposely violating the spirit of the rule is indeed punishable.

Except for this:

So yeah. Cheating, right there. Don't do it, people.
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if you'll jail for that, the rules need to be changed because that is not violating any rules. you have to change the spell or people will find away around it
 
I feel like if both a dev and GM came out and explicitly said it was cheating, then just maybe it is.

I feel like if people still work around it when it's clear as day what it means, then that's still a bad mentality and is still cheating.
 
AngryCow said:
I feel like if both a dev and GM came out and explicitly said it was cheating, then just maybe it is.

I feel like if people still work around it when it's clear as day what it means, then that's still a bad mentality and is still cheating.
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if it is, there needs to be a rule is my point. when the policy plaza says casting cunning at anytime before any 6 man / raid encounter is cheating, then people will listen.
 
Removed some posts of personal insults and intended drama stirring. If you still feel the need to argue about this topic, keep it civil.

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sabuti said:
if it is, there needs to be a rule is my point. when the policy plaza says casting cunning at anytime before any 6 man / raid encounter is cheating, then people will listen.
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There is a rule. You just seem to have trouble comprehending it.
 
Nwaij said:
Removed some posts of personal insults and intended drama stirring. If you still feel the need to argue about this topic, keep it civil.

On topic:


There is a rule. You just seem to have trouble comprehending it.
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alright well i do apologize for not understanding it. thanks
 
Nwaij said:
Do this, and we'll jail you. Do this again, and we'll jail you even longer. Purposely violating the spirit of the rule is indeed punishable.
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does this mean zoning out/not zoning into cmal to get cunning/savagery is illegal? same for sitting at the bottom of the pillar for forest gloom, or standing outside curators building, or being outside the tunnel leading towards jenrok, or standing on the ground in shadowdale, or cunning just before ofgats (a boss event with no 6 man trash). Im genuinely curious, as all of these things are legal AFAIK, and have never heard any mention of them violating the spirit of the rules.
 
Can we just delete beastlord and call it a day? Even the existence of this garbage class causes problems...

On second thought let's just give them 20 more defense so they are like a real melee :D :p
 
Taryth said:
What people were doing is using a loophole to park a buffbot or rezbot outside an arbitrary and stupid line. So basically you could have short-duration buffs (like Cunning) without the hassle of actually bringing that class.
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so instead of an arbitrary and stupid line we can just use the zoneline in valley of erimal. Is this still breaking the spirit of the rules as you put it? If so then doing cunning/savagery in starfall right before going to assault the eternal empress herself should also be considered against the spirit of the rules.
 
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You bros keep bitching about the rule and it really is going to turn into "if you can't bind there you can't (7th man) buff there" and then you'll be sorry you stirred up so much shit over really minor rule change.
 
Ludovician said:
You bros keep bitching about the rule and it really is going to turn into "if you can't bind there you can't (7th man) buff there" and then you'll be sorry you stirred up so much shit over really minor rule change.
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im just trying to find out if its ok to do these buffs in the zone right outside of where you're going to kill hard 6 man monsters. I wont be sorry cause these buffs aren't needed they simply make my numbers bigger
 
Kapitol K said:
im just trying to find out if its ok to do these buffs in the zone right outside of where you're going to kill hard 6 man monsters
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The rules already state this is legal. The delineation of what is and is not the 6-man area (and thus not okay to out-of-group buff/rez) is certainly arbitrary and can be awkward at times -- but is probably better rule than "no out of group buffs for 6-man, period" or various other potential formulations.
 
Somebody once yelled at me for having a buff bot outside of rivervale and casting flight of eagles on somebody doing the fae.


Buff rules are dumb.


The real SOD solution here is to give beastlords /cmd soulbond so you can just log in beastlord#3270 at your choice of city and fix your fuck up when you wipe. As it has been done since the dawn of time.


Zaela was right when she wanted to redo all the 6 man encounters to be done without buffs.


Also this game would be a lot funner if non soulbond buffs were just permanent duration.
 
Haenir said:
The rules already state this is legal. The delineation of what is and is not the 6-man area (and thus not okay to out-of-group buff/rez) is certainly arbitrary and can be awkward at times -- but is probably better rule than "no out of group buffs for 6-man, period" or various other potential formulations.
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simple enough power clear to rohk, evac zone out get cunning run back down before repops ez. just seems awkward that that's allowed but doing it in the zone is cheating.
 
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