Stormkeep vs DHK augs flaw in logic

[Kazimir]

Apparently if you get one of the 2 augs you can never go back and get the other. I got the empress head aug forever ago b/c we finished with SK/SE and where going to be in DHK for a while longer. Within the last week, I completely switched factions and got the king head to get the new aug. After getting ally and turning it in, which failed, I was told that i was flagged for getting an aug.

Apparently, when you get one aug, you can never go back and switch factions and get the other. Lore wise and logically this makes no since. In lore, I reformed my ways and went with the better path, and in doing so my ALLIED leader would help me by granting me the aug. Or He would be scared b/c I raped the previous leader and give me the aug out of fear. Or I could technically rip it from his cold dead hands. Or....

Logically if i were not able to switch augs then I should theoretically never be allowed to be ally again, which would mean an overhaul in faction(which is impractical). No matter how you look at it, there is no reason why and aug shouldn't be attainable.

From a more overview look. There is no quest in this game that operates in this manner, granted the other augs aren't faction bound. There is no warning, and after some searching, I wasn't able to find any warning on the forums(even though i shouldn't have to). If this is the case, shouldn't there be a warning put in yellow text before you do your first turn in?

Im mainly looking for any comments by people who believe that something is wrong or should be changed and why, or by anyone who has a reasonable counter to my argument. GM/Dev/.../Wiz input would be greatly appreciated as well. I am trying to get a feel for public opinion in hopes to get this changed.

Edit: Also I can see why for a game stand point they wouldn't want you switching back and forth a dozen times, but even from the xp stand point. If i killed the next king i dont see why "my king" wouldn't want to reward me w/ more xp and another aug(except for it would be overpowered to have more than one aug, hence them being lore)

 

[Allielyn]

You killed the person you're trying to do a turn-in to, so technically that person is dead, to you.

If you want to use the "new king" argument then look at it this way: You killed his father and delivered the head to his mortal enemies. He's not interested in forgiving you.

 

[Manguadi]

You killed the person you're trying to do a turn-in to, so technically that person is dead, to you.

If you want to use the "new king" argument then look at it this way: You killed his father and delivered the head to his mortal enemies. He's not interested in forgiving you.

It's a good thing you aren't the new king.

 

[Wiz]

This is fully intentional, you aren't supposed to do these augs until you're absolutely sure which faction you want to stick with.

 

[Manguadi]

Then is it possible to get the aug that you originally had back by doing that quest again?

 

[Nwaij]

I know for fact that it's not possible.

 

[brasileira]

From a more overview look. There is no quest in this game that operates in this manner, granted the other augs aren't faction bound.

Blackscale, CoI and the other one?

Btw you killed him, cut his head off and gave to his worst enemy. Im pretty sure he doesnt like you

 

[Spiritplx]

Blackscale, CoI and the other one?

Btw you killed him, cut his head off and gave to his worst enemy. Im pretty sure he doesnt like you

Flavor is always cute to try to suggest why something is the way it is, but its mostly just for balancing issues. It would be nice if this was more public knowledge (I had no idea about this until this post), or if they would say something along the lines of "Once you do this quest, there will be no turning back" or whatever. Something that suggests that switching is just not possible.

Trying to say that he is "really" mad that you defeated him once and he is angry because, even though he has had about 500 more deaths by then, he still remembers you personally and has a vendetta...even though he considers you an ally. Most factions are switchable, and mobs respawn, but this was made for a balancing purpose, so having a notification would be swell.

This also might just force everyone to always just wait to switch to dragon faction since Rymaz is so much easier to kill than Empress, but that is for a different thread.

 

[Wiz]

The entire point of introducing these quests was to create a way which by we ensured that people didn't just drop their faction once they progressed past its gear.

If you want to keep your gemstone, don't kill mobs from that faction. It's trivially simple.

 

[Wesell]

The entire point of introducing these quests was to create a way which by we ensured that people didn't just drop their faction once they progressed past its gear.

To be fair, you have to admit that it can only serve that purpose if players know that this is the case.

 

[robopirateninja]

It's a pretty huge time investment to align to either side, only made worse if you're trying to switch from ally to one side to the other, and while my quick search didnt yield anything I could quote I'm pretty sure I have seen staffers advise to pick whatever faction you want because they were switchable with effort, if your guild decided to join the opposing faction.

Also Wiz, I don't really understand the goal/purpose of wanting to keep players aligned to dragon or giant once they are well past that tier, could you explain that a little more in depth? I guess it's so trivially simple that it's flying over my head.

 

[brasileira]

It's a pretty huge time investment to align to either side, only made worse if you're trying to switch from ally to one side to the other, and while my quick search didnt yield anything I could quote I'm pretty sure I have seen staffers advise to pick whatever faction you want because they were switchable with effort, if your guild decided to join the opposing faction.

Also Wiz, I don't really understand the goal/purpose of wanting to keep players aligned to dragon or giant once they are well past that tier, could you explain that a little more in depth? I guess it's so trivially simple that it's flying over my head.

I think Wiz could add another tier, same as IP for the faction, would be really nice imo.

 

[Kazimir]

heres my thing, it isn't public knowledge, and the old king was a dick, now I'm all buddy,buddy w/ the new king(ally). So that king should be in favor of helping me.

Also with the well you killed their king theory, How cold i turn in the emp head the first time since i killed the king upwards of 25-30 times before.

 

[Tyvec-a-tron]

I have a few quarrels with this concept. Why is it that you can return to ally and achieve the faction's honored jewel (their gate zone amulet) time and time again, yet you can't do this quest more than once between the 2 sides? As far as I know, it says no where that you cannot complete both sides of this quest. I'd say the response in this thread shows that it's insufficient to just assume that common sense dictates lore reasoning that is counterintuitive to other lore reasoning (i.e. being able to switch factions and re-ally period).

As far as the current King being pissed at you, wouldn't you delivering the head of their enemy's Empress sort of smooth things over? He can hold a grudge all he wants, but you're ally with his faction and you're delivering their enemy's head on a platter.

Either way, this isn't a documented quest limitation either in the quest dialog or on the forums. I also haven't seen anything about the staff wanting to keep guilds on 1 faction and having safeguards for this. In my opinion you should be able to switch and turn in the head to the opposing faction, even if it's only once. Either that or make it repeatable and remove the exp and any cash reward (if there is any) and just produce the aug.

I'd also point out Latten's thread here, a similar problem (he's actually asking for more than the OP here is) with much confusion and support from the players from a logic standpoint-
http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=13954&highlight=faction+augment

 

[Enlityn3]

To be fair, you have to admit that it can only serve that purpose if players know that this is the case.

I agree with this. It seems pretty ridiculous to penalize players for something they have no way of knowing and then not even give them the option to go back.

 

[Latten]

Well i had kinda similar problem as you and made this post a while ago

http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=13954&highlight=Latten

 

[robopirateninja]

I think Wiz could add another tier, same as IP for the faction, would be really nice imo.

I'm not sure what exactly this post is asking for, but dragon/giant factioned pieces are used to make combine armor at the OP tier. Once you make it into Lower Thaz you can start farming for immaculate pieces and their class-specific upgrades. Tower of Tarhyl also has progressive item-building quests. I don't think that another tier of dragon/giant factioned armor needs to be shoehorned into the space between combine and immaculate/upgraded immaculate.

There's plenty of room to continue aiding the scale alliance/giants in upper tiered zones though... the draconic and giant imbued armors are supposed to be twisted creations forged from found scraps of immaculate gear, there could easily be a reward from those factions for leftover immaculate pieces, or other such things if the intention is to keep players interacting with their chosen faction.

 

[Kazimir]

This is fully intentional, you aren't supposed to do these augs until you're absolutely sure which faction you want to stick with.

Which is good in theory had it been stated somewhere and made public knowledge. Players have no ability to view the code and i would assume, no ability to read the minds on the like 4 people who actually knew this, whether it makes sense or not. If something is to be made different from the entire rest of the way the game plays, it should be public.

Hell someone can get the grobb gate and screw NP faction and grind it back and have both, what is the difference. Which is why a single(or even multiple) occurrence of switching from giant ally to dragon ally makes sense.

 

[Solo]

We have been given no warning that this is the way it is...

This is fully intentional, you aren't supposed to do these augs until you're absolutely sure which faction you want to stick with.

Maybe add in some conversation text regarding the quest like…

“Be forewarned adventure, that once you start down the path to becoming one with the giants/dragons there will be no way back for you. You shall be a brother for life! Be sure before you proceed."



Also, I am ally with the giants atm and have been in raids that killed Empress Penerlia a few times but I have never looted her head. Can I now switch factions, become ally with the dragons, collect the giant king head and receive the aug from the dragons, or am I locked in to the gaint faction for life?

thx

 

[Cinn]

I nuked a couple of inactive friends Giant faction who had augs to switch them to Dragon with the full assumption that you could only get each factions aug once and not only one of either aug once.

... whoops.