Naming policy clarification
- Thread starter Cunha
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calaran
Dalayan Beginner
Tempus said:
Cool. I'm glad we've resorted to personal attacks. I believe, if you cared to at all, if you looked for posts by me in the past (all made basically AFTER that name nerf which happened a long time ago) I've always been very supportive of the admins, gms, etc... and I'm not taking to attacking you guys now, I was just pointing something out. I understand that you like to play as well and want to relax... I understand that well, as a coder on a mud. It's not just me being crappy... it was me pointing out a name to show what gives people a sense of inconsistency -- I HIGHLY doubt that no gm has ever been in a party, guild or raid with Meso, and as such they have been aware of his name at some point. I'm not going to ruin someone else's name choice just because 'I should'. I didn't point that name out because I want it changed. I'm not complaining because it hasn't been changed. Heck, I don't even THINK I am complaining that my old name was changed... I don't care and have said as much. Honestly, I'd rather have "Mewmew Purrypaws" running around because I ignore idiots like that and they don't hurt my play at all... but it's not my sandbox.
I appreciate what you guys do here a lot; I just think some of the naming stuff is a bit silly and joined in on the conversation. I didn't realize that was opening myself to your comment(s). I fully expect another "you're just being <expletive omitted>" or whatever post as I've evidently hit some sorta nerve.
On a side note, I think it's funny that people (and I wholly include myself in this) expect some sort of different standard of behavior from admin/gm type positions in online communities... they're people too and just like the rest of us, can misread something, take offense to something not meant to offend, or just in general be a jerk... never surprises me unless the tag under their name links them to the staff... then I'm always taken aback for a second.
Anyway, as Jonny Blaze from the Fantastic 4 says, "FLAME ON!"
syduck: Sorry if my use of the word "shitty" offended you, but even trying really hard you can't possibly believe what I said was a personal attack on you. Good try though.
calaran
Dalayan Beginner
You are correct in your assertion that my offense came from your use of base language when I didn't feel like it was deserved. Perhaps I am deluded, but at least from my point of view referring to someone being what you said I was being is, while rather tame, a personal attack.
I will chalk this up to the every-day occurrence of misunderstood tone/motive on the internet; I still don't think I was being what you said I was being, but to each their own.
I will chalk this up to the every-day occurrence of misunderstood tone/motive on the internet; I still don't think I was being what you said I was being, but to each their own.
Cunha
Dalayan Beginner
I think the misunderstanding just comes from the fact that the naming policy leaves anyone open to potential violation. Some players dont care and some players characters are broken after the fact. The appeal system sort of exists. No GM wants to waste the time (it is a waste) to seek out name policy violators, and no player cares (except some out of spite, i imagine) to report a name in violation.
The result is just as many "Tonnytiger Cornflakes" as ever, some people who live in constant fear of a name change, and some players characters that are essentially destroyed when the name hammer hits.
The result is just as many "Tonnytiger Cornflakes" as ever, some people who live in constant fear of a name change, and some players characters that are essentially destroyed when the name hammer hits.
jedz
Dalayan Adventurer
They changed my enchanter name Bobble to Molo. This was about 2 years ago though. Don't completely remember the explanation but it was something along the lines of too "bubbly"?? Anyway i complained and the GM insta killed her which wiped the group i was in. Luckily that GM isn't around much anymore.
I have seen "bubbly" and "cutesy" names since then.
I have seen "bubbly" and "cutesy" names since then.
Thinkmeats
War Is Good For Business
If this thread turns into a "post ridiculous nameflag X from Y years ago" emporium I'm gonna lock it. We're all already aware that the way names get flagged can sometimes cause problems, including unfair name nerfs. However, until someone posits a better way of doing it, it'll stay as it is.
And no, any solution that requires a gigantic amount of work for the two or three GMs on at any given time isn't gonna happen. Every minute we spend dealing with nameflags is a minute we don't spend on stuff that matters.
And no, any solution that requires a gigantic amount of work for the two or three GMs on at any given time isn't gonna happen. Every minute we spend dealing with nameflags is a minute we don't spend on stuff that matters.
Cunha
Dalayan Beginner
More refined rules, less grey, more black and more white. As it stands there are too many names that can be found in violation of naming policy. Wrong place wrong time is essentially the way some folks run into name changing.
I dont even know if real names are allowed according to the rules. Can my name be Richard? So long as I dont hit level 20 and make my last name to Gere is that a legitimate name? I can see that name being nerfed, but I dont think it should be, or even be at risk. What about Non - stupid word names? Or can a name not exist in an english dictionary?
I dont even know if real names are allowed according to the rules. Can my name be Richard? So long as I dont hit level 20 and make my last name to Gere is that a legitimate name? I can see that name being nerfed, but I dont think it should be, or even be at risk. What about Non - stupid word names? Or can a name not exist in an english dictionary?
Thinkmeats
War Is Good For Business
Brimztone said:
If you can come up with a way to include appeals in the system without causing a shit-ton of unecessary work, by all means post it.
Cunha said:
Yes, your name can be Richard. If you made your surname Gere, your surname would be _ but you would still be Richard. Even a name like "Hannibal" is fine up until you choose "Lector" as a surname. And no, "Richard" would not be at risk at all. It's *possible* that, if you added a bad surname to it, both would be nerfed (that occasionally happens with names that seem innocent but end up combining with the surname for both to be bad), but that's pretty infrequent and doesn't happen with famous names like "Richard Gere" would be.
I have no idea what "Non - stupid word names" means. You'd have to post some examples. But if you're planning to put something like "Infero" as a wizard name, I would point out that Infero is an exceedingly stupid word name.
I'd add that I don't even usually nerf names at all. I only get involved if I stumble across a particularly bad one, which is probably why I still have the patience to talk about it in this thread. Most GMs treat it as a necessary duty akin to taking out the trash and aren't at all interested in debating with someone about the merits of a nerf from years ago.
Tempus
Staff Emeritus
Code:
Naming policy
1. Titles
No titles. You can't be "Lordgrey" or "Jackthegreat". Sorry.
2. Stupid or Well-Known Names
No names from well-known, popular media. You can't be Aragorn, Gandalf or Garfield.
On that note, no unrealistic or completely idiotic names either. "Rogue" or "Iksar" are not acceptable names.
3. Wordplays and Wordmeshes
No wordplays. "Froak Frog" is not an acceptable name, nor is Frog or Froak by itself, but those go under
idiotic names anyway. In the same avenue, no combine-word names. You can't be Rockjumper or Swordswinger
or Deathdancer. These are acceptable last names, but not acceptable first names.
4. Gibberish Go Away
Your name must be something resembling a name. You can't be Xbaihjsfa, Qwwwwb or
otherwise have a name with no wovels like Fgbnm or Xfds.
5. The Linguistic Lambada
Cleverly bypassing the naming policy by using a different language, spelling it differently/backwards
or using an obvious anagram will not win you any sympathy points. We will still change your name when we find out.
6. Kooky Combinations
If you create a pair of characters with names that carry an obvious meaning together, or form a word play
together (for example Louise and Thelma) they will be changed even if the individual names do not violate policy.
This rule does not apply to simply having two similarily named characters, such as Ling and Leng or Ling and Gnil.
7. Even Then!
That "you used this name on live" does not mean it magically bypasses the policy. We will not tolerate this excuse.
Use the rules here, not the non-existant name rules on EQlive.
8. Spirit of the Law
Finally, the rules above are a guideline for staffers, not an absolute set of rules, so use common sense and try
to follow the spirit of the law. If you feel your name has been unjustly changed, send an email
to [email][email protected][/email] stating your case.Where is the large grey area? These rules are pretty refined, and to be honest 95% of the names on the server can't even be nerfed using extreme stretches in logic under these rules.
EDIT: At some point common sense has to come into play when you are sitting at the character creation screen and thinking up that next name.
EDIT2: Reformatted for those with small screens and low-resolutions.
Brimztone
Dalayan Elder
Thinkmeats said:
All I am saying is when Finster and I talk to a GM, then an Admin to get permission to email Wiz himself about it, send the email, and hear nothing about it for over a month, I'm not really sure what can be done about it if it's in Wiz' hands and he just doesn't respond at all. Not even with a "No."Tempus said:
I realize he is a volunteer and he runs the server out of the goodness of his heart(and we love him for it) but when a GM says sure just email Wiz, and you do, and nothing happens, maybe there should be another route to take. Again, I am not sure what that alternate route could be. It's just really odd to be told yeah do this and by doing that nothing happens.
Brimztone said:
Quoting this for awesomeness.
What I don't get is why WIZ has to have the last word on dumb shit like this. As lead GM, does Allielyn have zero oversight on this? Can she not make a binding decision of "well, I think that I can handle the naming policy for now"?
I firmly believe that if you have a complaint then you should take it up with someone in charge. That someone has to be wiz, but he's not really around to take care of little things like your name, so you go to the next in charge. That's either Dynak or Allielyn, or even Xeldan if the two of them aren't around. If Wiz were around more in IRC or otherwise maybe it would be a different story. But I think something needs to be changed and someone who's around more needs to take care of things like this.
Ikaa|LoveYums
Staff Emeritus
Draxx said:
Yeah, pretty much. What I don't get is why if that's the general consensus, that this thread continues to drag on. Wiz is the last word on things like this because simply, thats the way it currently operates. If/when it's decided a change is needed, it will be changed. Not sure how else to put that.
Thinkmeats said:
Nameflags and that accursed password recovery box.. Man I loathe that thing.
Allielyn
*Pony*
Draxx said:
I don't really think this thread is the place to harp on about this one nameflag issue, since its supposed to be about the naming policy overall. But if in this entire thread this is the only solid example of inconsistent nameflagging, I suppose we're doing all right :toot:. (In all seriousness though we do keep a log of names flagged, and going over it shows me that we are in fact pretty consistent.)
Re: Wiz email,
Generally if Wiz doesn't answer after some time, then it's a "no." Rest assured he has seen it. Feel free to send it my way though; In the interests of consistency I'd be happy to nerf players that have slipped through the cracks of my IRON FIST. Otherwise, you know where to reach me if you want to talk about it.
