Naming policy clarification
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robopirateninja
Staff Emeritus
mind if I ask where you got your forums handle from? it looks familiar
Cunha
Dalayan Beginner
My last post wasnt supposed to look so serious.
My forum handle is a name. I cant think of any PvP games (including FPS's) that I use it on though. I have weak weak characters named it on most servers i have played Game and emulated Game on. None with a reputation. That I know of. I use it as a forum handle.
My forum handle is a name. I cant think of any PvP games (including FPS's) that I use it on though. I have weak weak characters named it on most servers i have played Game and emulated Game on. None with a reputation. That I know of. I use it as a forum handle.
Thinkmeats
War Is Good For Business
Brimztone said:
We used to do a form of grandfathering where people who got to level 65 and got lots of AAs were generally ignored as long as their name wasn't that terribly inconsistent. When a GM nerfed Pharaun, it was an obvious departure from that policy, and since then we've stopped doing any kind of grandfathering at all. There are a handful of characters that will probably be nameflagged that are level 65 with lots of AAs.
And for the record, no, I don't have anything to do with nameflags, I just hop into the discussion once and a while to try to figure out just wtf is going on. So don't blame me :toot:
Danku
Dalayan Beginner
The naming policy is pretty clear, but the naming enforcement is highly inconsistent.
I think what would serve the purpose of the OP isn't a change in policy but a change in enforcement. Take the control of name nerfing out of a single GMs hand and have it be put to a group of naming GMs. If they approve it, then it stays forever. It is ridiculous that you can have it approved and then a year later someone just goes "Oops, I dont think they were right and you cannot even discuss this with me or any of the others." Another issue is that you can't talk to anyone about it because then a GM would be disagreeing with another and they won't do that. Only problem with that is if a GM already approved your name and another nerfs it later, then they already disagreed.
Leaving naming enforcement in the hands of a single GM leaves players open to being name-nerfed because a GM had a bad day or may have some grudge (yes, GMs are people too but we like them that way). Having it be approved or denied by a group of them would provide much more consistency.
I think what would serve the purpose of the OP isn't a change in policy but a change in enforcement. Take the control of name nerfing out of a single GMs hand and have it be put to a group of naming GMs. If they approve it, then it stays forever. It is ridiculous that you can have it approved and then a year later someone just goes "Oops, I dont think they were right and you cannot even discuss this with me or any of the others." Another issue is that you can't talk to anyone about it because then a GM would be disagreeing with another and they won't do that. Only problem with that is if a GM already approved your name and another nerfs it later, then they already disagreed.
Leaving naming enforcement in the hands of a single GM leaves players open to being name-nerfed because a GM had a bad day or may have some grudge (yes, GMs are people too but we like them that way). Having it be approved or denied by a group of them would provide much more consistency.
Tempus
Staff Emeritus
Danku said:
Look if you feel unjustly nerfed there is a mechanism in place for you to appeal it. The sheer amount of extra time and effort that would be involved with trying to name flag by committee is way overboard for the VERY FEW and isolated instances where someone got an name nerf and they weren't just begging for it. Borderline names are frequently discussed by staff behind closed doors before a spontaneous nerfing occurs. How many of you have actually had a name nerfed that you really, really feel was unjustified? Not someone you know about, or some guy you heard about, but you yourself. This is a classic example of making a mountain out of a molehill.
In my experience, it's insanely difficult to get ahold of wiz to get a last word, especially for something like this. Brimz and Finster sent him an Email about the Chaseum situation almost a month ago, and there has been no response.
I think the naming policy is extremely inconsistent in the fact that each GM has his or her own interpretation of the naming policy. Icarium Inventory? HOW is that not nerfed? Krypp Walker got nerfed to just Krypp, which is perfectly acceptable.
Just like Brimz stated above, "Chaseum Down" was approved by multiple GMs, then was nerfed to Chaseum _, which was ALSO approved by multiple GMs, THEN it was nerfed, with no possibility of recourse.
I really think that the policy should have some sort of appeal system before the name is actually changed to prevent such instances from occuring again.
I think the naming policy is extremely inconsistent in the fact that each GM has his or her own interpretation of the naming policy. Icarium Inventory? HOW is that not nerfed? Krypp Walker got nerfed to just Krypp, which is perfectly acceptable.
Just like Brimz stated above, "Chaseum Down" was approved by multiple GMs, then was nerfed to Chaseum _, which was ALSO approved by multiple GMs, THEN it was nerfed, with no possibility of recourse.
I really think that the policy should have some sort of appeal system before the name is actually changed to prevent such instances from occuring again.
Thinkmeats
War Is Good For Business
Draxx said:
Thinkmeats said:
Thinkmeats said:
:toot:
i have toons that sorta break the naming rules all under The Linguistic Lambada
2-3 times I have petitioned to have one of the names changed, due to annoyances with my gimp computer with /assist & /target
all been rejected. so i guess if you want a change, it won't happen lol
2-3 times I have petitioned to have one of the names changed, due to annoyances with my gimp computer with /assist & /target
all been rejected. so i guess if you want a change, it won't happen lol
Danku
Dalayan Beginner
Tempus said:
I do not feel I have been unjustly nerfed. I had one name nerfed ages ago and according to the policy, yes it needed nerfed. My bad, I accepted it and moved on. I also deleted the character. Alot of people are very attached to the names they have choosen and their concerns are dismissed without any apparent notice. For some people the name is not important, for others it is. Whether it is a mountain or a molehill varies by who is involved.
As I stated before though, when you leave it up to one person it becomes incredibly inconsistent. I am not attacking anyone or disparaging anyone. Yes, it takes time to confer about things but is it fair to have a single judgement placed by a single person? You say names are discussed at times, how is what I am suggesting different other than to make that decision stand.
Thinkmeats
War Is Good For Business
Danku said:
I'm not sure what you're imagining here, but when we discuss names, it's not like one gm says "no fuck you" and does a wheelie on his motorcycle before speeding off into the sunset to nerf the name anyway, leaving the rest of us choking on a cloud of dust. A single judgement placed by a single person is more than adequate for 95% of name cases; when it's close we talk about it, and if we talk about it the consensus usually stands.
The only times we generally got bad results was because of a grandfather clause that no longer exists.
calaran
Dalayan Beginner
Yeah... sorry I contributed to this; I was not intending really to say that I was hurting inside over this nerf... I AM one of the people to whom names matter somewhat, and I had thought long and hard about the name and thought it was a good one that wasn't even questionably outside the rules...
It was deemed otherwise, and either it was deemed so OBVIOUSLY and GRIEVOUSLY in violation, that it was insta-nerfed, or it was questionable, posted, and voted upon. Either way, it was just a very harsh way to be introduced to the game... I really thought the name was good and within the rules, and just wanted to settle into playing, and instead, I had to stop everything and think up a new name... a name that I'm far less enthused about but, oh well.
Again, I don't worry about it now... I honestly don't want to main-play or even box a Cleric so it hardly matters. 99% of the name nerfs I've seen seemed to be well-earned (I always wondered if anyone ever caught 'Mesoo Hungry' or whatever it was, who was a HLF druid I think.. I'm pretty sure that violates... then again, I'd have thought 'Meso Slacker' would violate as well, but whatever)... some just seem less deserved than others and I think those are the cases that are being questioned here... but you guys have given a course of action to those who think they were unfairly nerfed, so... that's cool enough.
It was deemed otherwise, and either it was deemed so OBVIOUSLY and GRIEVOUSLY in violation, that it was insta-nerfed, or it was questionable, posted, and voted upon. Either way, it was just a very harsh way to be introduced to the game... I really thought the name was good and within the rules, and just wanted to settle into playing, and instead, I had to stop everything and think up a new name... a name that I'm far less enthused about but, oh well.
Again, I don't worry about it now... I honestly don't want to main-play or even box a Cleric so it hardly matters. 99% of the name nerfs I've seen seemed to be well-earned (I always wondered if anyone ever caught 'Mesoo Hungry' or whatever it was, who was a HLF druid I think.. I'm pretty sure that violates... then again, I'd have thought 'Meso Slacker' would violate as well, but whatever)... some just seem less deserved than others and I think those are the cases that are being questioned here... but you guys have given a course of action to those who think they were unfairly nerfed, so... that's cool enough.
