Tier 5?
Druids, Frank and you?
- Thread starter metvayne1
- Start date
That would be one of two druids to actually raid Ikisith.
Miffy
Dalayan Adventurer
Try having 3k less mana, A HoT that heals for less and costs 800 mana and gets overwritten by Every other classes hots. But I digress, Otcho was complaining that THE problem with druids in 6 man at end game is that they do not have a fast enough casting group heal, to which I was saying cascading vim is the answer, and no one is going to be overriding you if you are solo healing six man silly. And yes, it still costs a shit ton of mana, but it seems that is the price you pay for a new piece of utility you did not have before. I don't see why you couldn't keep both gheals memed in 6 man allowing you to use one for efficiency and the other for high dps situations, which according to Otcho is the main problem for druids.
Last edited:
LOL Guys. Don't get pissed off. He make a bold statement and I wanted to know if he had the experience to back it up. Ok, ok, I get it.
The thing is that it matters to me who you are if you are making claims about knowing the "end game", whatever that is.I did not want to detract from this post anymore then necessary but this post oozes the level of badness and inexperience that really kills your credibility.
The only class that really detriments from having more then one in your list of classes is a shadowknight outside some extreme situations, the rest of them provide enough to a raid to to justify a non strict dps slot.
If you cannot understand that druids do not have the luxury of dropping a 1000 mana heal in which the hot portion is basically overkill in the situations you want to use it then I do not know how to explain it to you. It comes down to having moments where you have the potential of person BESIDE the maintank dying whilest healing the main tank, clerics afford the luxury of hots to prevent this and the much faster group heal. Paladins ease up the problem by healing themselves. The content does not give you the luxury of using a druid. High end druids eventually face the reality that their class is not up to muster for this content and weep druid tears after being told that they should load cleric_b if they want to be a benefit to the guild.
Cascading Vim is not the answer to this problem.
Last edited:
Thade
DINOSAUR THADE
LOL Guys. Don't get pissed off. He make a bold statement and I wanted to know if he had the experience to back it up. Ok, ok, I get it.
That's efik. and unless something changed every time she tried to use cascading vim when my group hot was up, it just did nothing.
Hey I worked to get where I am at. Find a guild and progress or farm and buy better gear.
AND VIM IS NOT A GROUP HEAL!!! And its not worth the mana to cast in most situations. If you use that heal too much you can focus on keeping the MT up
If it actually fails to heal when another group hot is up that is so hilariously bad.
LOL Guys. Don't get pissed off. He make a bold statement and I wanted to know if he had the experience to back it up. Ok, ok, I get it.
I would never say what I did if I hadnt actually been "end game" And based off the statement you made I back what I said 100%
And just for the record *SHE* not he
Last edited:
this ^^^^^^
I feel like every complaint about druids not having the power to keep up during high intensity situations could be solved by making Vim, ya know, actually good. Add another tick to the hot, lower the mana cost by a lot, add in some kind of ridic AC buff to it, idk.
that is exactly what it does
Base(minus aas/focus effects) Vim already heals for more then the sham hots and cleric hots. so adding extra ticks and lessing the mana would make it way overpowered imo
Thade
DINOSAUR THADE
I'd honestly like to see them just remove the hot portion all together, make it the same base strength as sihala's empathy with the same mana cost as any other group heal (2x the cost of sihalas) with it's current cast time and maybe some other little perk? +AC and ds for a few ticks? Maybe a mots effect? A spell focus effect? Something other than a group hot that renders the spell half useless.
Miffy
Dalayan Adventurer
Anything but this would be good, as it would trample all over any chance protective lustration has of ever staying on a group in a raid.
I agree Thade. Why do all healing classes need to have hots. Just make druids way better at ghealing and give them another bonus that would make them more desirable. In most 6man stuff you want 2 healers anyhow.(high end at least)
Gheal 700-750ish mana cost with a base of 2-2.5kish with a 3.5-4 sec cast time would be great.
Manguadi
Dalayan Beginner
We use two bards and two shamans by design, two clerics, and one druid. We originally planned to use two warriors full-time but like you said you work with what you've got. I can't think of a class you can't benefit from stacking, including druids.
Druids can be different healers without being categorically worse healers, and as long as druid dps remains considerably below both clerics and shaman (and all three tanks) I don't think they can be considered viable dps. Also there's a big difference between worthless and bad stop exaggerating for effect.
Last edited:
In raid situations the clerics heals really pull the raid along enough to not take notice at the inferiority of druid heals but when you move into mid-high end 6man content with sham/cle setups and sham/dru setups the difference shows immensley. Sure the druids get DD/dot dps spells but cleric melee dps w/ Divine Rage proc aa and hammer procs is pretty high not to mention free in terms of mana cost. Archaic debuff is great but in terms of raiding its the only good utility we have going for us that cant be replaced by a buff bot.
I do agree that druid are pretty optimal for leveling and low end groups tho. Especially in the group tmap tiers and before you get ahold of buff bots.
I agree with Ais and Tink on the pet front. The pets are great as is and I think giving them heals in place of their current abilities would just make them worse. Also that would just be 1 more class that shouldnt be in the same group as a splitting monk.
I do agree that druid are pretty optimal for leveling and low end groups tho. Especially in the group tmap tiers and before you get ahold of buff bots.
I agree with Ais and Tink on the pet front. The pets are great as is and I think giving them heals in place of their current abilities would just make them worse. Also that would just be 1 more class that shouldnt be in the same group as a splitting monk.
Gerick, I now realize that you are talking about Notpit. Not a big deal, but he has never been a raid toon. I raided with Jilguor until January, when he was jailed (and yes, Woldaff meant 999 days) and since then I have raided on Fivof. That is why Notpit's gear is not up to Amicii standards (he gets the occasional rot a few times a year to help our EXP groups).
I don't think I claimed any level of expertise in this thread, but my druid raid experience is when I box Zorcid sometimes. He has 7.7k manna and FT 18, which is more consistent with our tier. But I don't have experience playing anything but Beastlord in higher six man content and obviously I don't get invited to TU raids on any of my toons. Which is why I limited my input to raiding in general and EXP groups.
Not that it matters to you (or me), but I thought I would clear up any misconceptions. I use the Notpit account on the forums because it was my first character and I play him a lot in EXP groups, since he is a heal bot. Not that I consider him my main character or a raiding character. I almost never play him by himself.
Worelan and Rovans are the Amicii druid experts. I defer to their judgments.