Class Top 5 List (Thade version)

[Obscenitor]

I find the other comment about number of tomes laughable, since codex of power also increase charm pet damage as well as all other damage (nukes, dots, clickies, etc) as stated previously by zaela. So yeah, a bunch of smaller tomes with marginal increases versus the tomes of power which impact a much larger array of abilities and spells...

wait what..

And I agree, as an enchanter- tomes are worthless...sweet i can nuke for 2k base instead of 1600? woooo for only 1000 aas! watch out wizards

Zuh? W..wha?? But you just.. EXCUSE ME??

 

[cyryllis]

umm yeah, that post was made prior to the information about tomes affecting charmed pets was released...gg digging up ancient posts though

 

[tinkaa]

Lol, I can't believe my toons are still on the list. Don't you people in raiding guilds do anything? Chaa hasn't gotten loot in like 2 years (except charm).
And yes, I wear my melee gear/pet focii and switch in FT/real earrings/stuff - and use ashpyre from inv unless if I need cure pot slot there or something.
Can my characters just get off the list vonluntarily? Then you can stop wasting time making comparisons with them and make someone who is marginally worse than them happy by getting them on the list forever!

 

[stral]

codex of power also increase charm pet damage

Wait what? Damn it I was trying to slump into not playing this game anymore and get zorlon to replace me, but this is totally going to get me xping again if this is true.

 

[Otcho]

well, when I quoted him, I mentioned that I DO have shout...have had it for years, so idk where that comes from

Also, so many people fail to understand that this is the top 5 chars of each class, not top 5 raiding chars of each class...so being able to make a raids casters go wild doesnt really count as a real strong argument. I find the other comment about number of tomes laughable, since codex of power also increase charm pet damage as well as all other damage (nukes, dots, clickies, etc) as stated previously by zaela. So yeah, a bunch of smaller tomes with marginal increases versus the tomes of power which impact a much larger array of abilities and spells...

Anyways, do what you wish. It only took over a year of inactivity to get bumped down

Let me alter my argument, Tomes of power are also a bullshit argument for enchanters, oh boy my crippled pet hits for 20% more for the small ass window of time it is charmed.

Also what at top 5 toons/raiding, I am pretty sure that by having the superior toon you are the superior raid character??? Last time I checked everquest didn't have anything crazy like progression paths or anything that differentiated players drastically except you know missing your spells.

Lol, I can't believe my toons are still on the list. Don't you people in raiding guilds do anything? Chaa hasn't gotten loot in like 2 years (except charm).
And yes, I wear my melee gear/pet focii and switch in FT/real earrings/stuff - and use ashpyre from inv unless if I need cure pot slot there or something.
Can my characters just get off the list vonluntarily? Then you can stop wasting time making comparisons with them and make someone who is marginally worse than them happy by getting them on the list forever!

*nwaij* no *nwaij* how can you possible suggest ruining the sanctity of the top 5 in an act of selflessness

 

[Nwaij]

*nwaij* no *nwaij* how can you possible suggest ruining the sanctity of the top 5 in an act of selflessness

Leave me out of this please, I retired from running this for a reason.

 

[nikosk]

Septima Vs Otcho

HP: *Septima 9223, Otcho 9130
=SEPTIMA=

AC: Septima 2339, *Otcho 2356
=OTCHO=

Mana: *Septima 7325, Otcho 7245
=SEPTIMA=

Flowing Thought: *Septima 24(21 benefiting), Otcho 17
=SEPTIMA=

Haste: Septima 44, *Otcho 45
=OTCHO=

MODS Parry/Ripotse/Dodge: *Septima 27/22/0, Otcho 20/15/0
=SEPTIMA=

STA/AGI: *Septima 506(enhanced sta2 tome)/487(opus of agility), Otcho 548/487
=SEPTIMA=

INT: *Septima 404 (Tome of Mind 2), Otcho 305
=SEPTIMA=

Total Resists: *Septima 1365 (w/ tomes) , Otcho 1263
=SEPTIMA=

Stun Resist: Septima 40%, Otcho 40%
=TIE=

Mind Shield: *Septima 40%, Otcho 6%
=SEPTIMA=

Crit Strike: Septima 10%, Otcho 10%
=TIE=

Agression: Septima 10%, Otcho 10%
=TIE=

Damage Reduction: Septima 25(TOAO Tome), Otcho 25(TOAO Tome)
=TIE=

DMG INC: Septima 7, Otcho 7
=TIE=

MANA CON: Septima 7, Otcho 7
=TIE=

Magic Focus: Septima 6%, Otcho 6%
=TIE=

Casting Speed: Septima 0, *Otcho 7
=OTCHO=

Affliction Enhancement: Septima 7, Otcho 7
=TIE=

Spell Crit Chance: *Septima 12%, Otcho 6%
=SEPTIMA=

Spells: Septima (SOA, Murk, Slave, Runic1) Otcho (SOA, Murk, Slave, Runic1)
=TIE=


-----GEAR EFFECTS-----

Worn Acumen: Septima Yes, Otcho Yes
=TIE=

Defensive Procs:
Runeward BP *BOTH
Nautilus *BOTH
Vah Back: *Septima Yes, Otcho No (lifetap banner)
=SEPTIMA=

-----TOMES-----
TOTAL
*Septima: 47, Otcho: 6
=SEPTIMA=

-Power-
*Septima 5, Otcho 3
=SEPTIMA=

-Emberflow Tomes-
Septima: +10% Death Save, +15% Runes, +40% Worn DR, Aggro+, -5% Spell Dmg, -20% Exhaustion, +10% Proc (Total 7)
Otcho: +40% Worn DR (Total 1)
=SEPTIMA=

-Class Tomes-
Septima: Focused Hate 1
Otcho: None
=SEPTIMA=

-Resist Tomes-
Septima: ER3, MR3, BR3, Otcho: None
=SEPTIMA=

-Stats-
Septima: STA2, AGI3, Otcho: None
=SEPTIMA=

-Defenses-
*Septima: Avoidance2, Mitigation2, Otcho: Avoidance1
=SEPTIMA=

-Offenses-
Septima: Striking 2, Otcho: None
=SEPTIMA=

-Spells-
Septima: Evo2, Lifetap3, Infection2, Mind2, Racing Thoughts 1, Magic2
Otcho: None
=SEPTIMA=

-Misc-
Septima: Swift2, Otcho: None
=SEPTIMA=

So what we see here is basically Otcho has 17 more AC, 1% more Haste, and Casting Speed (which is not that important on an SK) There are about 10/33 aspects where Septima and Otcho are both the same, but I have also shown 20/33 aspects where Septima is greater and 3/33 aspects where Otcho is greater. Some aspects are worth more in their weight, but still Septima has a lot more going for her. Septima should be #3 and Otcho should be #4.

 

[shaltang]

lol zorlon trying to go corporate.

 

[Thade]

JUFF | Regasin
HP: 8235 | 8201
AC: 2004 | 1834
Mana: 7835 | 7375
STR: 392| 420
StA: 400 | 472
AGI: 485 | 436
DEX: 508 | 436
INT: 335 | 316
CHA: 518 | 464
Haste: 47 | 47
FT: 7 | 5
Recovery: 12 | 7
Worn ATK: 150 | 139
MR: 374 | 244
FR: 245 | 242
CR: 247 | 233
PR: 276 |228
DR: 191 | 242

Juff wins all but STA/STR/DR

Advanced item effects

Spec: 20 | 20
StunRes: 35 | 34
Mindshield: 32 | 13
Crit Strike: 10 | 10
Aggression: -2 | -8
DR: 25 | 11

Win juff except aggression, overall win juff

Skill Mods

Dodge: 17 | 15
Parry: 5 | 5
Channeling: 10 | 10

Slight Win juff

Focuses
Damage: 7 | 7
Magic focus: 7 | 6
Spell crit: 6 | 0
Wind: 2.5 | 2.4
String: 2.5 | 2.5
Brass: 2.6 | 2.6
Percussion 2.4 | 2.4
Singing. 2.3 | 2.3

Win or tie every category, win juff.

Spells
Juff has runic 2 regasin doesn't

Win Juff

Weapon ratios
Juff: .96/.952 (assuming the magic damage is resisted on average half the time)
Regasin: .913/.94

Win Juff

Procs

Weapons
Juff: 15% spell damage, 50% move speed, Add weapon proc sonic strike (140 point dd), 50 point hot (takes a buff slot doesn't stack with rbow or cunning, but does stack with bard song). Psionic Tearing 555 point dd

Regasin: 125 point dd, 65 point mana drain. 85 point dot.

Bracers
Juff: Rend 784 point dd. 200 point dd/8 second stun

Regasin: Seething Scream: Increase Hate by 110. markars Clash: 200 point dd/8 second stun

Both of juff's weapon procs are superior; caex may proc more frequently but tsionic tearing is more total damage, an additional 10% proc damage and bigger proc than rbow (140 base) is easily better than an 85 point dot.

Juff's wrists win easily (same on one slot and rend craps all over a + aggro proc)

Tomes
Codices: 5|5
Glyph of Shirtri: Y | Y
Striking: 1 | 1
Cha: 1 | 0
Magic Mastery: 2 | 1
Resilience: 1 | 0
Crit evoc: 1 | 1
Avoidance: 1 | 0
Understanding and working with runes: 1 | 0
Dodging the Tears of Tarhyl: 1 | 1
Treatise on Armor Optimization: 1 | 1
Secrets of the Weefolk: 0 | 1

Juff has better tomes in every category except secrets of the weefolk. Win Juff

Also list is mostly up to date. need to reevaluate zorlon now that he got a real charm!

 

[Tarutao]

I just deleted 12 really awful posts about farming. This thread is enough trashy e-peen waving when on-topic, don't make it worse than it already is.

You're welcome, Thade!

 

[Thade]

Thanks tarutao <3

 

[Snake]

I dislike Lleoc just as much as everyone else, but he is > Oumaj.

More tomes, Vah, IS Loot, Ikki Loot, better pull clicker (0.5 sec vs 1.8 sec), MB gloves...

 

[templeton]

cough... COUGH...COUGHHH

 

[WickedSlayer]

Siblyx vs Banjimen (<3 u)

Opus of melee discipline: Sib yes / Banj: n/a
Backstab mod: Sib 25 / Banj: 15
Piercing mod: Sib 20 / Banj: 10
Haste: Sib 47% / Banj: 45%
Worn ATK: Sib 150 / Banj 150
ATK: Sib 1392 / Banj 1335

HP: Sib 7630 / Banj 7652
AC: Sib 1652 / Banj 1677
Recovery: Sib 22 / Banj 16 (make up for 22 hp difference?)
omg not tanks

STR: Sib 501 / Banj 436
DEX: Sib 463 / 510 (Sib has DEX1 tome done)
CHA: Sib 279 / 201

MR: Sib 350 / Banj 481 (this and spec% is where he crushes me)
FR: Sib 232 / Banj 225
CR: Sib 154 / Banj 238
PR: Sib 282 / Banj 308
DR: Sib 204 / Banj 256

Double atk mod: Sib 10 / Banj 0 (I think it matters?)

Damage inc: Sib 7 / Banj 7

Tomes: Sib 11 / Banj 9
Sib has Periphery Dodging 1 and 2 / Banj no
Banj has Dodging the Tears of Tarhyl / Sib no
Striking1: both

Worn +1 humanoid: both

That's all I can think of atm, bot honestly, it's all irrelevant after the first 6 lines of comparison.
Have a great day!

 

[Bridger]

Mage Time

Zoroth v Zafirbel

HP: 5767 v 5726 Zoroth
Mana:8421 v 8627 Zafirbel
Ft: 20 v 20
AC: 1244 v 1191 Zoroth


Stats:
Str: 255 v 184 Zoroth
Sta:325 v 362 Zafirbel
Agi: 239 v 255 Zafirbel
Dex: 223 v 199 Zoroth
Wis:336 v 327 Zoroth
Int: 355* v 355* Zoroth from tome of the mind 2
Cha:505* v 485* Zoroth from tome of char 2

Saves:
Magic 320 v 251 Zoroth
Fire 268 v 261 Zoroth
Cold 227 v 261 Zafirbel
Poison 152v 119 Zoroth
Disease 205 v 166 Zoroth

Focuses:
Healing 0 v 7 Zafirbel
MC 7 v MC 7
Range 7 v 7
CSI 7 v 7
Reagent 0 v 7 Zafirbel
Companion Str 8 v 7 Zoroth
Companion Hlth 7 v 7
Bane 7 v Bane 0 Zoroth
Cold 6 v Cold 6%
Fire 10 v 6% Zoroth fire mastery 2
Magic 10 v 6% Zoroth magic mastery2
Heal Crit 10% vs 10%
Spell Crit 8% v 6 % Zoroth Crit evocation 2

Stun Resist: 13 v 19 Zafirbel
Mind SHield: 3 v 2 Zoroth
Spell Ward: 4 v 6 Zafirbel
Aggro: -2 v -10 Zafirbel
Deity 19% vs 19%
Dam Red 21 v 15 Zoroth

In addition Zoroth has 4 x Pet tomes. Glyph of Tarhyl, Elemental Emb, and Word of Power

Zoroth has Spectral Silks and Summon Grplo Rod and Elemental Barrage Spells

 

[jew_nose_it]

lol nm you both have over 500 cha anyways...

 

[Zafirbel]

Zoroth missed that he has Codex of Power 5 done... I don't have even 4...

 

[Thade]

List updated.

Zoroth Replaces Zafirbel
Siblyx Replaces Banjimen

Zorlon moves into 4 after a bunch of upgrades

Cinn > manguadi; too lazy to post the math but it's not even close at this point.

 

[Boehm]

Dzillon versus Velleity

Health 5633 v 6306 – velleity
Mana 8407 v 8859 – velleity
AC 1243 v 1348 - velleity
FT 21 v 19 - dzillon
Reco 6 v 13 - velleity
Kills 26588 v 26218 - dzillon
Deity 20 v 18 - dzillon

StunR 24% v 40% - velleity
mindS 28% v 39% - velleity
spellW 2% v 1% - dzillon
aggression -7 v 1 - dzillon
damageR 10% v 21% - velleity

alteration 0 v 3 - velleity
conjuration 15 v 8 - dzillon

focii
DI 7 v 7 - tie
range 7 v 8 - velleity
mcon 7 v 7 - tie
csi 7 v 7 - tie
aff 7 v 7 - tie
CompS 7 v 0 - dzillon
CompH 7 v 8 -velleity
Cold 6% v 6 % - tie
Fire 6% v 7% - velleity
Disease 6% v 7% - velleity
Poison 6% v 6% -tie
Magic 0% v 0% -tie
ContE 0 v III -velleity

Charm Eternal v Eternal - tie

Spells
Murk no spell v has spell -velleity
slave no spell v has spell -velleity
runic1 no spell v has spell -velleity

Aas 514 v 414 -dzillon
Tomes 9 v 16 -velleity

Relevant Tomes
CritEvo 0 v II -velleity
Frost I v II - velleity
Flame II v I - dzillon
Infection 0 v I - Velleity
Magic 0 v I -velliety
Mind 0 v I -velleity
RT I v 0 -dzillon
DtofT 0 v complete -velleity
glyph 0 v sivyana -velleity
Class 0 v I -velleity

velleity does more damage longer then dzillon, taking less damage during engage - win velleity

 

[Nwaij]

Alcohol Tolerance:

Dz: Innate 250 for being German
Vel: -50, almost incoherent after 4 beers

Win Dz

Pass denied.

You fail hardcore, Dz is french.