Class Top 5 List (Thade version)

[Glamrin]

What makes Gunder better than Templeton? Aside from the crappy resist and lack of a 1.2mil charm? Gear and stat wise, aside from resist Templeton is better. Is it because Gunder has 13 FT for a warrior?

Warrior list from spot 2 and down should probably be looked over, the current placements for those on the list doesn't look right. Templeton's deity faction is a truly sad sight! he probably belongs on there somewhere though.

 

[Thade]

Post updated. Clerics updates (guktore smashes rehn grats septima on supreme #2)
Warriors updated (templeton is a scumbag but still crushes gunder and crushes ratkon aside from spell crits and deity spec)

Also sticky please!

 

[avogadro]

Naragako for #3 Shaman

Naragako has the innate slow bonus, the slave spell, the murk spell and Shout of Agony.


Comparisions


NARAGAKO vs SHALTANG

SLOWS
10% (CEIV+Quest) vs 8% - WINS


MANA + MANA REG
8863 vs 8541 - WINS
21FT vs 18 - WINS
ManaCon 8 vs 7 - WINS
Canni does 10% more and requires 15% less life - WINS


HEALS
Heal Inc 7 vs 7
12% Heal Crits vs 13% - LOOSE
+15 Alteration vs +5 - WINS
Bracer procs Healing - WINS


DOTS
AE 7 vs 7
8% Bonus Poison vs 8%
6% Bonus Disease vs 6%
6% Crits vs 8% - LOOSE


HP + AC
6501 HP vs 6267 - WINS
1672 AC vs 1554 - WINS


SPELLS
Runic1 vs Runic1
Refugee vs Refugee
Murk vs Murk
SoA vs SoA


Item Effects
Stun Resist 32% vs 22% - WINS
Mind SHield 30% vs 34% - LOOSE
Spell Ward 3% vs 5% - LOOSE
Crit Strike 5% vs 7% - LOOSE
Aggro -10% (Item + Tome) vs -10%
Damage Reduction +18 vs +25 - LOOSE


Focii Effects
CSI 7 vs 7
RI 8 vs 7 - WINS
DI 7 vs 0 - WINS
DuI 8 vs - 0 - WINS
CStr 0 vs - 7 - LOOSE

Resists
MR 273 vs 256 - WINS
FR 206 vs 260 - LOOSE
CR 232 vs 199 - WINS
PR 210 vs 221 - LOOSE
DR 277 vs 232 - WINS
Average 239.6 vs 233.6 - WINS


Deity Effects
20% vs 15% - WINS


OVERALL
Although a small Shaltang over Naragako in DoTs and Item Effects, Naragako crushes Shaltang in all other aspects.



NARAGAKO vs LYTEC


SLOWS
10% (CEIV+Quest) vs 5% - WINS


MANA + MANA REG
8863 vs 8499 - WINS
21FT vs 19 - WINS
ManaCon 8 vs 6 - WINS
Canni does 10% more and requires 15% less life- WINS


HEALS
Heal Inc 7 vs 7
12% Heal Crits vs 10% - WINS
+ 15 Alteration vs 0 - WINS
Bracer procs Healing - WINS


DOTS
AE 7 vs 7
8% Bonus Poison vs 6% - WINS
6% Bonus Disease vs 0% - WINS
6% Crits vs
6%


HP + AC
6501 HP vs 5989 - WINS
1672 AC vs 1551 - WINS


SPELLS
Runic1 vs no - WINS
Refugee vs no - WINS
Murk vs no - WINS
SoA vs no - WINS


Item Effects
Stun Resist 32% vs 17% - WINS
Mind Shield 30% vs 25% - WINS
Spell Ward 3% vs 1% - WINS
Crit Strike 5% vs 5%
Aggro -10% (Item + Tome) vs -10%
Damage Reduction +18 vs +13 - WINS


Focii Effects
CSI 7 vs 7
RI 8 vs 7 - WINS
DI 7 vs 7
DuI 8 vs 0 - WINS
CStr 0 vs - 7 - LOOSE

Resists
MR 273 vs 325 - LOOSE
FR 206 vs 204 - WINS
CR 232 vs 200 - WINS
PR 210 vs 163 - WINS
DR 277 vs 154 - WINS
Average 239.6 vs 209.2 - WINS


Deity Effects
20% vs 7% - WINS


OVERALL
Naragako crushes Lytec all over the board.



NARAGAKO vs NIKOSLAV


SLOWS
10% (CEIV+Quest) vs 5% - WINS


MANA + MANA REG
8863 vs 8316 - WINS
21FT vs 19 - WINS
ManaCon 8 vs 7 - WINS
Canni does 10% more and requires 15% less life - WINS


HEALS
Heal Inc 7 vs 7 - WINS
12% Heal Crits vs 11% - WINS
+ 15 Alteration vs 0 - WINS
Bracer procs Healing - WINS


DOTS
AE 7 vs 7
8% Bonus Poison vs 6% - WINS
6% Bonus Disease vs 4% - WINS
6% Crits vs
6%


HP + AC
6501 HP vs 6179 - WINS
1672 AC vs 1594 - WINS


SPELLS
Runic1 vs no - WINS
Refugee vs no - WINS
Murk vs Murk
SoA vs SoA


Item Effects
Stun Resist 32% vs 25% - WINS
Mind Shield 30% vs 30%
Spell Ward 3% vs 2% - WINS
Crit Strike 5% vs 10% - LOOSE
Aggro -10% (Item + Tome) vs -8% - WINS
Damage Reduction +18 vs +12 - WINS


Focii Effects
CSI 7 vs 7
RI 8 vs 7 - WINS
DI 7 vs 0 - WINS
DuI 8 vs 0 - WINS
C Str&Health 0 vs 7 - LOOSE

Resists
MR 273 vs 284 - LOOSE
FR 206 vs 241 - LOOSE
CR 232 vs 196 - WINS
PR 210 vs 200 - WINS
DR 277 vs 240 - WINS
Average 239.6 vs 232.2 - WINS


Deity Effects
20% vs 10% - WINS


OVERALL
Naragako crushes Nikoslav all over the board.


That's why I think Naragako's deserve 3#.
And I also think that Shaltang should be 4# and Nikoslav 5# but that's up to Thade's opinion.

 

[metvayne1]

i can almost guarantee niko normally has like 8.5k mana and 20ft, but you win anyways

 

[Thade]

niko normally does have like 8650 mana but nara still shits all over his christmas. Grats Gako's Takos.

 

[phroggonalog]

It seems to me like nara is a pretty loose guy

 

[shaltang]

more like i'm loose! grats naragako you're a chillin dude. i'm pretty sure i blow away lytec, but i'm too lazy to make a comparison.

 

[nikosk]

Man! Where is Guktore vs Gelu comparison, Guktore is funny and any past publicization of Guktore should never be left behind!

 

[nikosk]

HERE IT IS!!!

Ok, its more silly than funny, but maybe U GIGGLE A BIT?

GUKTORE VS GELU

(Keep in mind Gelu has been inactive for a billion years and still hasn't taken his cleric hammer off)

HP:
6479 vs 6303 (Guktore has more HP, unknown to Gelus main hand)

AC:
1652 vs 1567 (Guktore has more armor class for those nasty special melee attacks!)

MANA:
8783 vs 8528 (Guktore has more mana, who knows that Gelu wears in main hand!)

FT:
22 vs 18 (Guktore has more Flowing Thought, and Racing Thoughts 2 tome completed!)

STA:
456 vs 398 (Guktore has more melee mitigation while being pummeled!)

AGI:
372 vs 296 (Guktore can dodge attacks better when he steals aggro!)

WIS:
501 vs 438 (Both characters are great, but Guktore has tome of the mind 2 completed!)

Resists:
MR
345 vs 289 (Guktore likes magic)
FR
231 vs 211 (Guktore eats chile peppers daily)
CR
221 vs 181 (Guktore likes to make snowman)
PR
223 vs 189 (Guktore is a poisonous frog, RAWR)
DR
274 vs 260 (Guktore doesn't even need condoms!)

---ADVANCED ITEM EFFECTS---
Stun Resist
31 vs 21 (Guktore don't stop for nobody!)
Mind Shield
20 vs 12 (Guktore is smarter than you think!)
Spell Ward
7 vs 0 (Guktore absorbs all you magix, and then slurps em up)
Critical Strike
5 vs 5 (OMG Guktore I thought you would win on everything *slaps on a confine RQ*)
Damage Reduction
25 (32) vs 16 (Guktore takes boxing lessons on saturdays)

---SKILL MODS---
Alteration
11 vs 5 (Guktore flicks his tongue after every spell to make it more effective)

---FOCUS EFFECTS---
Healing Inc
7 vs 7
Range Inc
7 vs 7
Damage Inc
7 vs 7
Mana Con
7 vs 7
Casting Speed
7 vs 7
Duration Inc
8 vs 7 (Do you like Bufftore?)

---SPELLS---
Runic 1
Yes vs No (Yes wins)

---TOMES---
37 vs 7 (LOL Guktore LOL Guktore LOL Guktore LOL Guktore LOL)
Dodging the Tears on both
-Aggro on both
Working with Runes (Guktore)
+10% death save (Guktore)
+6% run speed (Guktore)
..and much much more...

---HEALING--- (Before cleric innates)
Guktore: 10 charm + 3 exceptional healing + 2 mind (15%)
Gelu: 10 charm + 0 exceptional + 0 mind (10%)

---HAMMER SPELL CRIT!---
Guktore: 6% charm + Evocation 2 tome = 8% spell crit
Gelu: 6% charm + Evocation 0 = 6% spell crit

Magic Focus: I don't believe this would work with hammers, correct?

Anyways.. Guktore #5, and #4 soon! 8D

 

[jew_nose_it]

Gelu's main hand is a Larek

I also see guktore with 9k mana on fomelo???

 

[nikosk]

Yea Guktore has a Supreme taco now

 

[Xach]

Unless there are other people who have better gear now, Xach is #1 AC at 2439 and #2 HP at 9916.

 

[Faelus]

Druid time!
Efik should edge out Nepthes and Mallas. I dont really want to do that comparison, though. Better mana ft focuses and alteration. Runic 1 over Nepthes. Lower average saves, more hp. Druid spires bracer.

Faelus v Chaa
HP: 6842 v 5231
Mana: 9050 v 8754
Ft: 20 v 19
AC: 1559 v 1374

Massive win on all fronts.

Stats:
Str: 252 v 219
Sta: 415 v 354
Agi: 324 v 234
Dex: 231 v 251
Wis: 503 v 532
Int: 323 v 357
Cha: 548 v 499
Relatively even, considering the tomes we both have done currently.

Saves:
Magic 306 v 287
Fire 181 v 252
Cold 170 v 272
Poison 266 v 220
Disease 291 v 223
Average 248.8 v 250.8

Win in all but fire and cold, 3/5.

Focuses:
MC 8 v MC 7
Dur 8 v Dur 0
DI 0 v DI 7
AE 0 v AE 7
Companion Str 0 v 7
Bane 8 v Bane 0
Cold 0 v Cold 6%
10% Heal Crit vs 13% Heal crit
Rest equal. MC 8 and Dur 8 kind of feel like they slightly edge out the ones I lose on, aside from heal crit, but idk.

Alteration: 14 v 6
Stun Resist: 25 v 11
Mind SHield: 30 v 13
Spell Ward: 4 v 9
Aggro: -10 v -6
Deity 14% vs 18%

Alteration is pretty awesome, and probably balances out the 4% Deity. Only other loss is Spell Ward. Not a huge win, but Faelus pulls ahead.

Tomes:
Mind 1, Heal 1 +2 for Faelus, Mind 1+2, Heal 1, -Aggro, COld 2 Fire 1, Charisma 1 for Chaa.
Win for Chaa, based on the dpsy tomes.

Faelus also has Ashpyre, and Spires bracer. Huge win.

Possible Nepthes Comparison soon idk maybe.

 

[cyryllis]

Zorlon -vs- Serillis

=Vitals

HP: -28
AC: -32
Mana: -186
FT: +3

Win Serillis

=Stats

Not a big difference either way except:

+charisma overcap

Win Zorlon

=Resists

MR: -51
FR: +83
CR: -34
PR: -11
DR: +47

Zorlon has slightly higher average.

=Diety, Items, Mods, Effects

Stun resist: -20%
Aggression: -2%(In favor of Serillis)
Damage Reduc: +6
Div: +10
Riposte: +3
Focus Effects: Serillis has several like Bane/Afflicton/CH

Win Serillis

=Spells

+Runic/Refuge
+Murk
+Shout? (of course i have shout)

Win Zorlon

=Tomes

+Class
+Glyph
+Death save (lulz)
+Swift 1

Win Zorlon

=Recap

Serillis has some minor wins. Negligible hp/mana lead and some focus effects that don't make Enchanter all that much more powerful. The only crushing defeat I receive is 20% stun resist, but, we're not healers so I don't see this as a raid saver either way.

The basis for my pass is: Big wins in terms of Tomes, Spells, and +12 Charisma overcap.

Zorlon #5

I'm trying to see how you significantly pass me in any real way. This list is not for slight passes, but for clear, very noticeable differences.

I agree, that at this point in time, I should be moved to #4 at least, and most likely #5.
However I believe that 20% stun resist and the other leads in advanced item effects do make a difference.

Also, I find it hard to believe that you think that me having +6% magic damage, Damage 7 vs no dmg increment for yourself, affliction enhancement 7 , and companion health 7 is only a slight win for me in that department.

As far as tomes, the only ones worth mentioning that you have over me are the class and archetype. +12 cha overcap has such a minor effective difference its not even funny.

I mean, youre close...the runic is nice, but honestly I think you still need a couple upgrades.

 

[metvayne1]

Druid time!
Efik should edge out Nepthes and Mallas. I dont really want to do that comparison, though. Better mana ft focuses and alteration. Runic 1 over Nepthes. Lower average saves, more hp. Druid spires bracer.

Faelus v Chaa
HP: 6842 v 5231
Mana: 9050 v 8754
Ft: 20 v 19
AC: 1559 v 1374

Massive win on all fronts.

Stats:
Str: 252 v 219
Sta: 415 v 354
Agi: 324 v 234
Dex: 231 v 251
Wis: 503 v 532
Int: 323 v 357
Cha: 548 v 499
Relatively even, considering the tomes we both have done currently.

Saves:
Magic 306 v 287
Fire 181 v 252
Cold 170 v 272
Poison 266 v 220
Disease 291 v 223
Average 248.8 v 250.8

Win in all but fire and cold, 3/5.

Focuses:
MC 8 v MC 7
Dur 8 v Dur 0
DI 0 v DI 7
AE 0 v AE 7
Companion Str 0 v 7
Bane 8 v Bane 0
Cold 0 v Cold 6%
10% Heal Crit vs 13% Heal crit
Rest equal. MC 8 and Dur 8 kind of feel like they slightly edge out the ones I lose on, aside from heal crit, but idk.

Alteration: 14 v 6
Stun Resist: 25 v 11
Mind SHield: 30 v 13
Spell Ward: 4 v 9
Aggro: -10 v -6
Deity 14% vs 18%

Alteration is pretty awesome, and probably balances out the 4% Deity. Only other loss is Spell Ward. Not a huge win, but Faelus pulls ahead.

Tomes:
Mind 1, Heal 1 +2 for Faelus, Mind 1+2, Heal 1, -Aggro, COld 2 Fire 1, Charisma 1 for Chaa.
Win for Chaa, based on the dpsy tomes.

Faelus also has Ashpyre, and Spires bracer. Huge win.

Possible Nepthes Comparison soon idk maybe.

I always thought Chaa had an ashpyre, maybe she doesn't idk + she has her melee gear on always and forever

you're still ahead probably

 

[Otcho]

I dont really like serillis or zorlon so this is really unbiased but not having enchanter runic makes your toon garbage, he clearly beats you from just having that. Glyph of magic resist makes it even worse. Damage increment has and always will be a bullshit argument for enchanters. Also having shout vs not having shout is a big deal still.

Serillis should be dropped from the list and whoever is #4 should remain #5 due to the runic, sorry 200 mana and hp and some resists mean nothing compared to the benefits of your caster dps going insane.


Chaa has an ashpyre she just crazy and melees with the farhag mace for deeps.

 

[Gloraxyourfaceoff]

When me and Solosolki get AoD we go insane and high five each other. Then we both point at the enchanter who gave it to us, give him a thumbs up, and wink - all at the same time, just like the statue of Jesus in the Kevin Smith movie, Dogma

 

[metvayne1]

I dont really like serillis or zorlon so this is really unbiased but not having enchanter runic makes your toon garbage, he clearly beats you from just having that. Glyph of magic resist makes it even worse. Damage increment has and always will be a bullshit argument for enchanters. Also having shout vs not having shout is a big deal still.

Serillis should be dropped from the list and whoever is #4 should remain #5 due to the runic, sorry 200 mana and hp and some resists mean nothing compared to the benefits of your caster dps going insane.


Chaa has an ashpyre she just crazy and melees with the farhag mace for deeps.

literally shouldnt be allowed on top 5 if you only have 1 completed tome

 

[cyryllis]

Damage increment has and always will be a bullshit argument for enchanters. Also having shout vs not having shout is a big deal still..

well, when I quoted him, I mentioned that I DO have shout...have had it for years, so idk where that comes from

Also, so many people fail to understand that this is the top 5 chars of each class, not top 5 raiding chars of each class...so being able to make a raids casters go wild doesnt really count as a real strong argument. I find the other comment about number of tomes laughable, since codex of power also increase charm pet damage as well as all other damage (nukes, dots, clickies, etc) as stated previously by zaela. So yeah, a bunch of smaller tomes with marginal increases versus the tomes of power which impact a much larger array of abilities and spells...

Anyways, do what you wish. It only took over a year of inactivity to get bumped down

 

[Thade]

Druid time!
Efik should edge out Nepthes and Mallas. I dont really want to do that comparison, though. Better mana ft focuses and alteration. Runic 1 over Nepthes. Lower average saves, more hp. Druid spires bracer.

Faelus v Chaa
HP: 6842 v 5231
Mana: 9050 v 8754
Ft: 20 v 19
AC: 1559 v 1374

Massive win on all fronts.

Stats:
Str: 252 v 219
Sta: 415 v 354
Agi: 324 v 234
Dex: 231 v 251
Wis: 503 v 532
Int: 323 v 357
Cha: 548 v 499
Relatively even, considering the tomes we both have done currently.

Saves:
Magic 306 v 287
Fire 181 v 252
Cold 170 v 272
Poison 266 v 220
Disease 291 v 223
Average 248.8 v 250.8

Win in all but fire and cold, 3/5.

Focuses:
MC 8 v MC 7
Dur 8 v Dur 0
DI 0 v DI 7
AE 0 v AE 7
Companion Str 0 v 7
Bane 8 v Bane 0
Cold 0 v Cold 6%
10% Heal Crit vs 13% Heal crit
Rest equal. MC 8 and Dur 8 kind of feel like they slightly edge out the ones I lose on, aside from heal crit, but idk.

Alteration: 14 v 6
Stun Resist: 25 v 11
Mind SHield: 30 v 13
Spell Ward: 4 v 9
Aggro: -10 v -6
Deity 14% vs 18%

Alteration is pretty awesome, and probably balances out the 4% Deity. Only other loss is Spell Ward. Not a huge win, but Faelus pulls ahead.

Tomes:
Mind 1, Heal 1 +2 for Faelus, Mind 1+2, Heal 1, -Aggro, COld 2 Fire 1, Charisma 1 for Chaa.
Win for Chaa, based on the dpsy tomes.

Faelus also has Ashpyre, and Spires bracer. Huge win.

Possible Nepthes Comparison soon idk maybe.

First off things that aren't equipped mean nothing (but you both have ashpyre anyway) also she has the wrong gear in at the moment. I'll try to flag her down to get her right gear in. other druids moved, once I get ahold of her I will look at this. will look at enchanters shortly.