No, I don't think so. You'll grind out the tomes anyway, making the charm xp along with them would be a lot better in my opinion than having to monopolize spawns, duo farm and hoard platinum (/ooc xp available all loot claimed!).
Charms
- Thread starter darksabbath
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No, I don't think so. You'll grind out the tomes anyway, making the charm xp along with them would be a lot better in my opinion than having to monopolize spawns, duo farm and hoard platinum (/ooc xp available all loot claimed!).
Sodshaman1
Dalayan Adventurer
Hmm, I'm not 100% sold but it makes sense. And yes, the "/ooc xp available but no loot" shit really brings a community together, doesn't it?
Moraelintz
Dalayan Elder
Why would you give everyone the equivalent of a supreme once they finish the codex's usually people are closer to 20-30 times completed before supreme not 5-10.
Also if you remove cash farming incentive, what will be the incentive to tradeskill? One of the nice things about tradeskilling is you can make great amounts of pp over time. If people have no sink for that plat then the only tradeskillers will be used for guild (aug) purposes only.
Furthermore, charms are one of the few nice things you can get for yourself with just investing time. You do not need to raid or be über to get a nice charm you just have to exp and save.
Also if you remove cash farming incentive, what will be the incentive to tradeskill? One of the nice things about tradeskilling is you can make great amounts of pp over time. If people have no sink for that plat then the only tradeskillers will be used for guild (aug) purposes only.
Furthermore, charms are one of the few nice things you can get for yourself with just investing time. You do not need to raid or be über to get a nice charm you just have to exp and save.
Moraelintz
Dalayan Elder
I've made a lot of my current friends from the exp but no loot, scummieness. It allows people to get something they wouldn't normally be able to get and chat with some cool dudes.
Otcho
Dalayan Pious Diety
This. I am a big masochist but tradeskills are too hardcore for even me. I rather hit my dick with a meat tenderizer than do fletching. As someone who has been the beneficiary of the kindness of others when it comes to their charm I would feel pretty bad if all their efforts went down the drain. At the same time though I see the ridiculous time investment this game is and how it is daunting for new players to break in. I hated farming and still do so the idea of moving charm progression away from monotonous grinds/camping is appealing.
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Moraelintz
Dalayan Elder
If you move it to progression/flags then you get sagacity quest all over again. Or you get into a t10/11 guild kill 1 or 2 mobs and bam you get a bad ass charm.
I really like it being a plat sink and something to work towards. I woudl not be opposed to 2 different charms though 1 progression/quest/exp/flag based and the other purchased.
I really like it being a plat sink and something to work towards. I woudl not be opposed to 2 different charms though 1 progression/quest/exp/flag based and the other purchased.
darksabbath
Dalayan Master
Hey, I thought people understood this, but I'll spell it out: If you are a tier-jumping scumbag, then it is your problem if you miss out on stats boost on a flag-based charm. Learn to lead pugs to kill the mobs for your flags I guess, or hope somebody pugs those guys. I bet there would be more pugs for this "ignored" content if a flag-based charm went in.
But if people wanted to farm cash and buy a charm, let them go right ahead. I'd rather not farm cash for that sole purpose.
But if people wanted to farm cash and buy a charm, let them go right ahead. I'd rather not farm cash for that sole purpose.
Sodshaman1
Dalayan Adventurer
Just curious, but how much on a weekly basis does a tradeskiller make with such a low server population?
Nwaij
Dalayan Pious Diety
Only till the moment when his guild decides to help him, and then its Sagacity again, just 10 times that worse cause everyone and his alt will be all over getting these flags.
Sodshaman1
Dalayan Adventurer
And lets face it, back-flagging in any game is fucking awful.
Yay. Someone finally agrees. Now, if we can just get more of the higher tiered players to understand that - a few changes could bring in a crowd of people.
Yay. Someone finally agrees. Now, if we can just get more of the higher tiered players to understand that - a few changes could bring in a crowd of people.
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Boehm
Dalayan Elder
I did all my tomes playing several hours a night. Not really a huge investment, unless you mean anything at all is a huge investment.
If you want to have a Kunark-y server with similar-ish progression, you need to explain how the progression is going to work to keep people playing and how long you expect them to play in that simplified progression. One of the reasons pop is down, is it became obvious that there would be and is nothing more to do. That and some absent dude decided to come back after three years and make vast stretches of the game un-fun.
Fuwok didn't buy his supreme and neither did you. But it is content that kept some of the most dedicated members of this community playing when they had nothing else to do. Because players are only going to jerk around with so many alts.
Rorne
The sad fish is a reactionary creature; an enemy o
The "dedicated" players aren't the players that need to be catered to because they have the lowest requirements for satisfaction and the most dependence on the game for escapist entertainment.
Charm expd into a supreme by the time 5 codex done sounds alot like gg time to move on to next ez server this ones close enough to finished.
The simplification of character progression is also less cool. Instead of 3 ways to progress toons cash(charm)/exp/gear theres now just two.
Sounds bad to me.
Just add more charms in between the current ones.
The simplification of character progression is also less cool. Instead of 3 ways to progress toons cash(charm)/exp/gear theres now just two.
Sounds bad to me.
Just add more charms in between the current ones.
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Sodshaman1
Dalayan Adventurer
Two comments that are super non-aggressive
1) When you say several hours a night, how many nights are you talking? One rogue told me he played almost 10 hours a day for just under a year to get where he was at that time.
2) Another reason the pop is so low is because, like many veterans of the game have stated, new players come here and realize what a massive time-sink this server requires and would rather just go play another game that gives them the same satisfaction without dedicating a year or more to a single character.
The client is hard to work with, the rewards for questing mostly blow, and there is such a large gap between "Hey, I have been playing 2 months" vs the "Hey, we've been playing 6 years" that it is incredibly hard for that new player to make his way in. For healers, sure it isn't hard. For dps, yes. For tanks, good luck. Requirement threads asking for 300+ AA's, codexs 1-5 either done or working on, and a 200k charm is a bit much for anyone who is looking forward to raiding. These aren't most of our college days anymore. We can't sit around and play games 24/7.(no offense to the staff, they work their asses off to do what they can with the client).
The funny thing about that quote is the 4 "big" custom EQemu servers that use eqemulator.net:5998(or 5999) eqhost login are actually either: 1) P99 - simplified eq. 2) Hidden Forest - custom, fast leveling, lots of 12ish+ man raid content, ldons, solo shit, and you can control a bot. 3) EZ server - tried it out until I got a 150 dmg sword at lvl 50 and logged off in disgust of itemization. and 4) PEQ: The Grand Creation - total legit carbon copy of EQlive up to GoD or something like that. None of those servers require the time-sinks SoD do(by a long long long long long shot) and house two-four times the population at almost any given time). Its 250 AA's per codex, right? 1250 AA's just for your initial "boost". I haven't done an xp grind in a while, so could someone fill me in on how many AA's per hour you get in an average group that isn't full of T10+? So, Raxton, I know you are all about preserving SoD's integrity....but are you happy with the population here? Are you happy with the constant posts asking for changes and being thrown off by the "bigger guys"?
Not calling you out by any means at all, so please don't take this the wrong way. I mean, you can't please everyone. I remember you from a long long time ago. You were in my guild when we were killing dragons in DHK(I remember you singing Superman by Eminem in ventrilo with a girl - can't remember her name). You have had that same charm equipped since then, so I'm not quite sure whether or not you either just haven't farmed the plat or you haven't found an archery mod.
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Rorne
The sad fish is a reactionary creature; an enemy o
When something takes such an enormous investment asking people who have done it to question it is basically asking them to question their own actions and judgment and few people are going to turn around and start poking holes in the validity of something they spent years on.