Cane of Calcifcation, please look at it.

Allielyn said:
I was under the impression that the ice fist dropped from the water mini. I could be wrong though. . .
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i don't remember if it was mini or boss tbh. I was leaning towards boss because the mini is pretty easy and the fist is one of the best you can get, that i have seen. I haven't seen any decent mnk useable 1 handers since and now this staff which is a downgrade. After i parsed i had a wtf moment.
 
jedz said:
You'd be better off with Ghar baton and Water fist so far.
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I see that's what your supporting....

Brimztone said:
The only thing wrong with the staff is the graphic.

It used to have a really, really cool graphic but it of course was changed. Voting to have it put back in!
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What was the old graphic? Why was it changed?
 
should have some fire resist (+10?) on there and the proc needs like -15, -30 adjustment.

ToT is very wierd with resists so it would be useless for the most part in ToT. But if you have a fire proc on a weapon it should be of some use against water/cold mobs. Its kinda of the same prob the sword from Lower Thaz Fire Boss had. 0 adjust .. so resisted so much it was useless.
 
Malluas said:
well i am lookin at it being like kinda sorta useful on raids.
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You have to be wearing some hella "Math is Hard" spectacles for a -15 modifier to look that important.
 
People are looking at this in terms of what it could/should do based on how it looks visually/procwise and not how well it actually performs in game. I looted this based on everyones same assumptions. It is my thinking that the developer intended this staff to be kickass dps and an upgrade for baton users but so far it just isn't so. It hardly ever procs and the dps is signifigantly less than baton when i tested on blue mobs in darkwoods (see previous post). I didn't really look if it was getting resisted or not but i could see that it rarely procced damage. if it is supposed to be less dps then ghar baton and have crappy stats, then it is balanced imo.

After im back from my wedding i will be glad to parse for however long in whatever zones is suggested. If the official word is yes this staff should be less dps than baton i won't bother wasting my time and it's just my bad luck to assume it was an upgrade.
 
Thinkmeats said:
You have to be wearing some hella "Math is Hard" spectacles for a -15 modifier to look that important.
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or you can just say that a -15 mod won't do much instead of being rude.. but being nice about stuff seems to escape you. And since you seemed to either not read or miss it.. i suggested +FR which is useful on raids.

my point is the modifier is crap just like the fire boss sword was. Why the hell put procs on weapons in one of the top raid zones to have it only hit a ok amount in like mielechc?

Irandos seems to proc enough even procs on Statues in IP but the sword from fireboss was resisted just about every time it proc'ed. But now that i mentioned irandos, that will prob be nerfed.

The top raid zones are so resistant that adding some kinda of modifier on something wouldn't make it overpowered at all. yes you would maybe hit stuff in mielechc likr 50% of the time. But I just don't see the point of putting procs on weapons that won't have the proc hit on mobs.

As jedz said the dps is much lower than Screamstrike. The fact you have to kill harder trash and bosses than ghar to even get to the area with this item makes it underpowered.

And since everyone wants to say well nerf this and weapon X doesn't need an upgrade because of the ease of the encounters. So far, just about everything in UT and ToT up to Bloodfires should be nerfed big time. I know that will piss off my guildies and Forsaken and Steel but its the truth.
 
Malluas said:
Irandos seems to proc enough even procs on Statues in IP but the sword from fireboss was resisted just about every time it proc'ed. But now that i mentioned irandos, that will prob be nerfed.
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It does? I've seen it proc like 2x dude.
 
Malluas said:
:mad:, :tinfoil:
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All I said was that a -15 resist check would be irrelevant, which is completely correct. The rest of your rant is all moon-speak that's got no business being pointed at me.

Except the part about me being rude, which was correctly targeted but somewhat oversensitive.
 
i have the deepest and fondest respect for both of you when i say STOP SHITTING UP MY THREAD.

not that it matters considering every single rebuttal was based on face value.

WOW 400 proc uber thump! thump!

I think all other itemization has been somewhat fair in general for monks. And i don't go off on tangents about ridiculous things too often.
 
Thread has enough dumb in it. I'll bring it up for the staff to talk about, but I personally think the cane is fine.
 
the only problem i have with this weap (besides the fact that it isnt tiki torch anymore ;p) is the proc resetting the timer on my calefaction spell. other than that im diggin it.

mort
 
Cool i wont bother with it, ill stick it in the bank until the time comes to destroy it for bank space. At the level its achievable no monk would use it. Not a mnk/bst staff, i can live with it. But if i see a player thats not a twink from a ToT raiding guild wielding this staff ill feel comfort knowing im grossly out dpsing them with a weapon tiers below.

We went from dumb to dumber on the topic, we went from it looks good, proc is nice, it should be better than screamstrike no big deal.

I parsed and found that to be false. Noone else has provided any other hard evidence to dispute this fact. It's tiring to see new replies with "everything but the graphic is cool." It's like they didn't bother to read the enitre thread. If there are players with cane and baton parse it yourselves. This will be the first and last time i make a balance suggestion. I only wanted a reasonable answer regarding its DPS against screamstrike. I didn't ask for drama or personal opinions.

P.S. saying it's your personal opinion without explaining why is pretty ridiculous. It's my personal opinion that god doesn't exist and that 2+2 = 5. I'd suggest posting with some intent to provide reasoning for your opinions in a forum that is read by people outside of your mind. The one asking the questions "me" can't read your personal feelings unless you post them.
 
If you'd like this to be looked at more seriously, provide more parses (not just three fights, I'd look at up to 1 hour worth of fights on same type mobs for each one. - Try plague priests in EBL, and let them heal up a few times so you get nice long parses) Also, while you're looking at those parses, tell me what the proc rate is for each.

Also, this is one of Zaela's items, so it's going to be her you'll have to convince. Might ask Woldaff just where he thinks this encounter should lie, though.
 
Allielyn said:
Also, this is one of Zaela's items, so it's going to be her you'll have to convince. Might ask Woldaff just where he thinks this encounter should lie, though.
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Quick derail, but is Zaela still MIA?
 
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