I have always used my forehead to pound in nails, that is how my dad did it and his dad before him. The hammer should be banned, it is taking work away from honest professionals who have spent a lifetime toughing up their heads to hammer nails in.
The 2 box rule needs to go away.
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I have always used my forehead to pound in nails, that is how my dad did it and his dad before him. The hammer should be banned, it is taking work away from honest professionals who have spent a lifetime toughing up their heads to hammer nails in.
Nebi
Dalayan Pious Diety
your head probably has a protective plate over it causing you no harm at this point. no harm no foul.
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Daffie
Dalayan Pious Diety
The largest, and by far the best, upgrade I can get on my wizard is an eternal/supreme charm... You won't get a supreme by grouping unless it takes years. As it is, it may take me a year anyway.
I'd love to be able to group my way to it, but on a really good day you walk away with 5k for a 6 person split during an xp run... That is 250 days of really good cash xp sessions. More than likely, it will take closer to 500 days because many days you are walking with < 2.5k. Factor in that you may raid a few days a week, not play some days, or spend pp on things like books, and you are talking about 6 years + for the supreme.
Sounds like grouping is stupid if you want to get the best item in the game. With a top heavy population, maybe pp is the largest limiting factor in forming xp groups...
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Obscenitor
Dalayan Elder
Consideration for raising the limit on number of boxes should not be impacted by the fact that some people are clueless/ineffective at farming.
Ludovician
Dalayan Elder
Boxing as a luxury eventually turns into boxing as a necessity. I saw it first hand. I had full intentions to not box in this game, because the game is so easy it's literally relaxing to play just one toon.
Fast Forward: I'm in a guild, we're missing a tank/healer/dps/whatever and someone sends a tell: "Hey can you box in soandso?"
Fast Forward: I'm not expected to box in something every single raid / xp group because I've shown that I can do it without derping.
Fast Forward: Single boxing? What's that?
I agree that people have flocked to P1999 to avoid boxing, myself being one of them. Making 3 boxing legal is going to compound the problem outlined above - and sure some people will love it, but some will leave because of it. Depends on who you are I guess.
Fast Forward: I'm in a guild, we're missing a tank/healer/dps/whatever and someone sends a tell: "Hey can you box in soandso?"
Fast Forward: I'm not expected to box in something every single raid / xp group because I've shown that I can do it without derping.
Fast Forward: Single boxing? What's that?
I agree that people have flocked to P1999 to avoid boxing, myself being one of them. Making 3 boxing legal is going to compound the problem outlined above - and sure some people will love it, but some will leave because of it. Depends on who you are I guess.
Look polls are fine, but if I put a poll up saying "everyone on the server should get 10k" I'm pretty sure there will be overwhelming support. The fact is we don't have plans to change this right now, we're working on a major release and such polls just are adding noise to the mix. Can it be reconsidered alter? I'm sure it can, this just isn't the best time. Sorry!
That said, carry on about the benefits/drawbacks. I actually find that pretty interesting, and who knows, maybe it will help inform decisions down the road, I dunno.
That said, carry on about the benefits/drawbacks. I actually find that pretty interesting, and who knows, maybe it will help inform decisions down the road, I dunno.
Well, you could put up a poll, but the poll will be shuttered and nobody will get to vote on it. Reasonable and feasible don't really enter into polls, since forum polls are a measure of popular opinion - an opinion which is still more or less unknown since the poll was closed preemptively, before anybody could vote on it.
Taryth You are a good guy and you are throwing your hat into the wrong ring on this one. There was no good reason to shut down that poll. You don't have to back every decision that everyone else on staff makes. There might have been a million good reasons to not act on it or ignore it, but no reason to shut it down. Why would you actively not want to know what your player base thinks about something?
So why not delete every post in this forum then? you guys are working on a major release and these suggestions just add noise to the mix? Especially since this is a policy change and requires no coding at all.
donfolstar3
Dalayan Master
Incorrect. The clock is punched and Pantera's box is open. Allowing boxing at all caused those people to flock, so the exact number up to a point is pretty much irrelevent. There is no compounding because anti-social derps like Daffie are going to keep being anti-social. Personally I think three boxing is a bunch of crap that I'd never want to do, but stepping back and looking it does address, albeit poorly, some problems. Those problems would be much, much, much, much, much, much better addressed by:
All ideas which make the game more appealing to play and group and be social. Suggestions like this are not a new thing. For whatever reason players keep making them and devs keep dismissing them and server population keeps dwindling... maybe it is time to try something different?
DodoBot
Dalayan Elder
As a caveat here, you can't say that forum polls even measure popular opinion that accurately for the server as a whole... there would be two levels of selection bias.
First level: SOD Players who read the forums; Second level: SOD Forum Readers who participate in
Not to say that the forums have no place, but this is a specific sub-demographic. Server priorities need to be set based on long term needs of the community as a whole and not just this part of it. There is a reason that major changes *USUALLY* are accompanied by a lot of talk both in and out of game. A policy shift this big should follow a longer deliberative process and not just be based on the opinions expressed by people in this post. Setting up a poll in a thread like this before any of the previous dialogue happens is (IMO) only going to generate a lot of hullabaloo and not give good data.
Those ideas are so dreamy!
AngryCow
Dalayan Elder
There is really no need to increase the boxing limit. I think it would be harmful to the game if it was raised. I think that 'needing' buffs and 'needing' a supreme are opinions and 'need' doesn't enter the equation. If some of this really is an issue, the problem should be tackled from a design perspective and not this list of complaints. If any changes were to be made I think that it should come in the form of changing exp/loot/etc as opposed to allowing anything over two boxing.
And if their player counter can be trusted they have ~700 players in the average.
Its not so much the boxing by itself which hurts but every newbie having access to t10+ chars.Account sharing has clearly get out of control.
Why play and level your own chars when you can just box in a "Grupo".
Personnally I wouldnt mind a fresh start,meaning server wipe (let established players keep their name,some trophies,maybe their charms or something like that) and prohibit boxing.
2.5 release would be a good opportubity,constant re-starts (ladder resets) didnt hurt Diablo2 at all,the opposite is true,shortly after a reset the severs are most busy.
donfolstar3
Dalayan Master
Its not so much the boxing by itself which hurts but every newbie having access to t10+ chars.Account sharing has clearly get out of control.
Why play and level your own chars when you can just box in a "Grupo".
Agreed. Too much has been done to foster account sharing. New players are forced to compete (especially tanks) against people who haven't played in years but are insanely more powerful. Guestlock is probably one of the worst things that ever happened to SoD because it made sharing so risk free that you would have to be a fool not to take advantage of it. Well, I guess it is really the combination of guestlock and being able to box that is the problem. Maybe the title of this thread is correct, but not in the way the OP intended?
Is it written in stone anywhere that Shards of Dalaya has to have only one shard? The title is plural, isn't it? When 2.5 is released maybe having fresh new shards that are no boxing or box unlimited would be a good experiment to see what people would actually do. I'm guessing the current playerbase would mostly want to stick with what they have now, but how many retired players and thought-about-trying-sod-but-decided-not-to-for-reasons players would embrace a box free custom server?
Honestly, a box free SoD sounds amazing assuming that the /lfg window works and some other changes (mentioned above- post #57) are made to make the game more welcoming.