rogues, my 2cp

Allielyn said:
If you put it that way, then my key words were "Have been" =3
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well aware=) i just dont want to assume anything. and nothing was stated about these changes that i am aware of...
 
brasileira said:
rangers back to last on the raid needed list with pally and mages
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ROFL. My first char was Garluk (65 mage, 260ish AA and at one time was within 20 mana of tops on the server). I foresaw that mages were a "dead-end" class in the AA dept (useful AAs cap really really early) and it really pissed me off that I needed Dmg Inc 7 and an Archaic in order to land a bigger nuke than a wizard familiar. So, I started Brandar, the ranger. I played a ranger on Live and really enjoyed the class. Fastforward, Brandar is now maxed AAs and I've started Praethor, a pally, so I could be doing something fun and productive when not raiding.

Want your class to become undesirable? Get me to play it. LOL
 
I pretty much think paladins are very vital in alot of zones now, I can't say how many fights/zones hinged on Gonobn being there, mages are quite important too.
 
volvov2 said:
I pretty much think paladins are very vital in alot of zones now, I can't say how many fights/zones hinged on Gonobn being there, mages are quite important too.
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paladins are good up to 1.. imo.. 2 isnt really needed. as far as mage goes.. i enjoy the presence of 1.. but again.. 2 isnt really needed.. u can fit better dps in their slot=( but basically i think rangers were just bumped near the bottom now. and rogs really arent much higher imo=/
 
Just wondering, where do pallies stack up in the dps comparisons? Are they slightly below beastlords or way below?
 
Widan said:
Just wondering, where do pallies stack up in the dps comparisons? Are they slightly below beastlords or way below?
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depends what they are killing... and if ur talking total or base melee dps.. total i think beastlords are up near the top.. base they are near the bottom. paladins can rack up massive dps on undead mobs. but and not bad on reg mobs.
 
I really doubt that paladins can even get close to beastlords on undead. I'm parsing high-end bsts at right around 300 dps (pet included) on Upper Thaz trash. The pallys are probably in the 170-200 range. Brimz could probably give you the exact numbers, assuming he could find a fight where Kaloft was present and not AFK.
 
I thought this was a rogue balancing thread, or even a melee dps balancing thread, not a class bitchfest.

Edit: For all your bitching needs, please post HERE.
 
Here we go. Parses of Melees(Sorry casters, You stand too far away from the mob!) on several nameds on raids(Since people afk alot on trash.) all post the most recent Ranger nerf.


7/1/07 - Clockwork:
Arraz - 129,923 Total, 383 DPS (Rogue)
Brandar - 77,929 Total, 242 DPS(Ranger) [Melee, and boxing Praethor]
Draxx - 96,967 Total, 287 DPS (Monk)
Sald - 49,034 Total, 144 DPS (Warrior)
Finster - 35,960 Total, 106 DPS (Shadowknight)
Thizik - 33,226 Total, 103 DPS (Bard) [I don't pick up DoTs, only DDs and Melee]
Kaloft - 23,493 Total, 69 DPS (Paladin)
Praethor - 16,433 Total, 48 DPS (Paladin)

7/1/07 - Magmar:
Arraz - 143,712 Total, 342 DPS (Rogue)
Brandar - 99,199 Total, 241 DPS (Ranger) [Archery]
Finster - 85,473 Total, 204 DPS (Shadowknight)
Kaloft - 73,406 Total, 174 DPS (Paladin)
Wufai - 45,715 - 129 DPS(Monk) [Boxing and wasn't engaged the whole time]
Thizik - 51,213 Total, 122 DPS (Bard)
Sald - 46,587 Total, 110 DPS (Warrior)
Praethor - 32,510 Total, 77 DPS(Paladin)

7/8/07 - Aken, Chosen of Enthann
Arraz - 84,589 Total, 425 DPS(Rogue)
Draxx - 62,234 Total, 309 DPS(Monk)
Brandar - 52,556 Total, 270 DPS(Ranger)
Finster - 40,511 Total, 202 DPS(Shadowknight)
Sald - 35,140 Total, 175 DPS(Warrior)
Thizik - 21,624 Total, 114 DPS(Bard)
Regasin - 20,887 Total, 104 DPS(Bard)

7/8/07 - Denos, Chosen of Enthann
Arraz - 113,514 Total, 321 DPS(Rogue)
Draxx - 88,950 Total, 251 DPS(Monk)
Brandar - 72,128 Total, 206 DPS(Ranger)
Thizik - 39,633 Total, 114 DPS(Bard)
Regasin - 17.940 Total, 51 DPS(Bard)
Sald - 33,546 Total, 94 DPS(Warrior)

7/8/07 - Tansa, Chosen of Enthann
Brandar - 153,452 Total, 313 DPS(Ranger)
Arraz - 144,223 Total, 293 DPS(Rogue)
Draxx - 88,675 Total, 180 DPS(Monk)
Finster - 77,172 Total, 157 DPS(Shadowknight)
Sald - 76,747 Total, 155 DPS(Warrior)
Thizik - 34,417 Total, 75 DPS(Bard)
Regasin - 30,836 Total, 63 DPS(Bard)

Anos is too hard to parse!

I see Brandar out-DPSing me once in all of those fights, and being out DPSed by Draxx a couple times.

Once I get back from lunch I can possibly post more, but it won't be for a couple hours.
 
This includes procs from weapons/AA/spells right?


Thanks for the parses. Nice to see the different classes and how they do on different fights.
 
Spiritplx said:
This includes procs from weapons/AA/spells right?


Thanks for the parses. Nice to see the different classes and how they do on different fights.
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That includes everything I pick up, which includes Procs from weapons, buffs, AAs, whatever. It just doesn't include DoTs, which is why Thizik and Regasin are really low.

EDIT: Some more parses.

7/10/07 - Flamelord Koltar
Arraz - 177,904 Total, 419 DPS(Rogue)
Brandar - 151,452 Total, 357 DPS(Ranger)
Wufai - 104,321 Total, 256 DPS(Monk)
Regasin - 66,424 Total, 171 DPS(Bard)
Sald - 57,615 Total, 135 DPS(Warrior)
Finster - 47,197 Total, 112 DPS(Shadowknight)
Allielyn - 40,830 Total, 108 DPS(Bard)
Kaloft - 20,897 Total, 49 DPS(Paladin)

7/10/07 - Waterlord Naktal
Arraz - 169,562 Total, 311 DPS(Rogue)
Draxx - 144,226 Total, 267 DPS(Monk)
Finster - 95,900 Total, 177 DPS(Shadowknight)
Kaloft - 95,184 Total, 176 DPS(Paladin)
Sald - 85,415 Total, 157 DPS(Warrior)
Regasin - 66,885 Total, 125 DPS(Bard)

7/10/07 - Landslide
Arraz - 226,694 Total, 439 DPS(Rogue)
Draxx - 136,202 Total, 267 DPS(Monk)
Sald - 57,323 Total, 110 DPS(Warrior)
Thizik - 52,175 Total, 104 DPS(Bard)
Regasin - 47,665 Total, 94 DPS(Bard)
Finster - 45,411 Total, 89 DPS(Shadowknight)
Keirga - 35,564 Total, 70 DPS(Warrior)
Allielyn - 28,093 Total, 54 DPS(Bard)

7/10/07 - Ulkag the Earthshaper
Arraz - 217,981 Total, 383 DPS(Rogue)
Adnon - 101,621 Total, 316 DPS(Rogue)[He went PL half the fight, so was only there for the end half]
Draxx - 126,807 Total, 222 DPS(Monk)
Wufai - 116,489 Total 216 DPS(Monk)
Finster - 81,755 Total, 143 DPS(Shadowknight)
Keirga - 73,845 Total, 130 DPS(Warrior)
Sald - 69,412 Total, 106 DPS(Warrior)
Allielyn - 24,815 Total, 47 DPS(Bard)

And thats all for now.
 
Pretty nice, probably on that last which brandar outdps arraz is using the special flurry shot stance, am i right?
He went from 250-270 dps to 315dps..

Just one thing, as i can see Archery and Melee (with praethor box) is almost the same? is that right?

You could plz add the class of every one? sry dont know em by heart.

Tyvm
 
brasileira said:
Pretty nice, probably on that last which brandar outdps arraz is using the special flurry shot stance, am i right?
He went from 250-270 dps to 315dps..

Just one thing, as i can see Archery and Melee (with praethor box) is almost the same? is that right?

You could plz add the class of every one? sry dont know em by heart.

Tyvm
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Sure, doing that right now.

EDIT: Done to both posts.
 
These ones have me a little perplexed:

Finster - 95,900 Total, 177 DPS
Kaloft - 95,184 Total, 176 DPS

Finster - 85,473 Total, 204 DPS
Kaloft - 73,406 Total, 174 DPS
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Assuming they were both paying attenion the whole time, shouldn't Kaloft's dps be a bit higher in regards to where the classes should stand? Maybe a topic for another thread who knows.
 
Widan said:
These ones have me a little perplexed:

Assuming they were both paying attenion the whole time, shouldn't Kaloft's dps be a bit higher in regards to where the classes should stand? Maybe a topic for another thread who knows.
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Have you ever played with Kaloft?
 
Actually I'd love to see more parses comparing shadowknight to paladin dps. Shadowknights do get some cool fast cast nukes and lifetaps that add to their dps while paladins pretty much just get stuns afaik. I'm not sure what is implemented as far as melee that is supposed to make paladins more dps than shadowknights, anyone seen any reference to that?


Also as far as bard dps, keep in mind that these parses do not pick up any of their dots, which are a large part of bard DPS. For the person who asked before this should pick up all nukes/procs.
 
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