Raid content.

[Tecnodoc]

The norm seems to be that there are FAR FAR more targets up than you think there are, and people have repeatedly told you where they are. You keep arguing with them, and calling them trolls, for some reason. People actually went out and told you EXACTLY what mobs they found up, and you're still complaining.

Umm ya Lots ot TU guys that have never ever ben there are saying this. It is true. Also also some othere guys saying that there is problems getting targets.

I am really not sure what else you expect from this thread or the posters in it, it only got hostile when you stuck your fingers in your ears and started going NA NA NA I DONT WANT THOSE TARGETS

Im sorry if you feel like i insulted your game. Let me just nail down - I LOVE this game, it is awsom - but i also think it could be better, hence i put something in the "sugestion forum" =)

I think you need to read it again. Im getting alot of sugestions to go do exp and 6 man content. Im kind of saying "thanks - but not really what im looking for"

Thanks alot Tarutao - yes please stay on-topic.

I would love to do some new content yes please. =)

 

[Tecnodoc]

And now that i got home. The server is down =(. Im betting there was mad content up aswell right? =)

 

[robopirateninja]

Umm ya Lots ot TU guys that have never ever ben there are saying this. It is true. Also also some othere guys saying that there is problems getting targets.

What are you talking about? Do you think joining TU just instantly gears your character out the moment you hit guildaccept? I, and many other members of high-end raiding guilds raided every tier from Dreadfang Spires through Inner Sanctum. The only zones that I have not personally raided for upgrades to my character are ones that have been released since I passed their tier. This means that most of the players you are talking down to progressed through these "congested" tiers when they were substantially smaller with less mobs to go around.

Im sorry if you feel like i insulted your game. Let me just nail down - I LOVE this game, it is awsom - but i also think it could be better, hence i put something in the "sugestion forum" =)

I'm not hurt or offended. If I had to pin down an emotion I guess I would say... baffled? syduck: is pretty appropriate.

How have you not picked up yet that your "suggestion" is for something that already exists? Even if we took you up on your suggestion and released another zone for somewhere between tiers six and ten (WHICH ALREADY EXISTS AND IS IN IKISTH ARGHGHG), what would stop you from doing exactly what you are doing now: ignoring it and claiming there is no content?

I think you need to read it again. Im getting alot of sugestions to go do exp and 6 man content. Im kind of saying "thanks - but not really what im looking for"

You repeatedly mentioned how hard it is to get 18 people on to raid when mobs are up. Going after 6man targets and XPing reduces the number of people required to get stuff done, and will help to progress your guild past its current raiding tier, regardless of how "congested" it may be.

 

[@steria]

Well to chime in on this fun thread.. My guild has done almost all of the tier 7 and tier 8 raid content. So much infact that real upgrades are few and far between so that limits what we call "prime targets". Sure we can kill all of IP but at this point aside from certain items like the caster bracer, caster ring, and ulaz loot.. everything would be rot. The same is in ValorB, everything is rot loot except some of Enthans. In ToT lobby is rot loot, djar is rot loot, flametalon is rot loot. Bloodfire and beyond are all prime targets and will give us big upgrades.. but also gives upgrades to the 6 other guilds actively killing them. Same goes with lower thaz and upper thaz. So when we get on (kinda late, but we all mostly have jobs so the time really cant go any earlier than we already do) to raid most if not all the "prime targets" are dead or taken.

Undercity is an option but welcoming party is now rot loot status and it takes 3 hours to get to primalist for the 2 upgrades we would use (We take a long time to clear hard trash since we are so terrible). Now from what i understand there is a clicky that will get you take you past primalist but we havent found it or know how to get it yet so that is more wasted time.

Before Iksith came out i had such high hopes that the problem of not having targets would be a thing of the past, grinding the same boss over and over looking for 1 specific rare item would be solved! Tons of new content spanning tiers 7,8,9,10.. and above! When it came out and people flocked over to the new areas, i was let down. Now im only speaking about the raid content.. the 6 man grouping content is great ( getting there in a timely fashion is another topic.. less time consuming gate neck pls!). Hatesfury is a challenge, i have yet to complete it, but being toted as a tier 6 encounter is laughable. Even in this thread it has been said that if you cant do hates-fury you arent even close to doing the raid content, so dont bother. Only one guild has put in the time getting through that.. doing the huge quest chains.. killing the first zone and progressing on through the new iksith raid hierarchy. What about the rest of the tier 8/9ish guilds out there?

We are still fighting our way through the old school (iksith being new school) content and fighting with the other guilds for a chance at targets who WILL allow us to progress to the point where we can kill farhags who will then allow us to kill generals who will then allow us to kill sanctum who will then allow us to finally see Iksith content. Will that happen in a month.. 2 months.. 6 months.. a year? Doubtful. In less than a year im being sent off to Afghanistan and im confident in saying that before i ship off, i will never set foot in the first Iksith raid zone.

People bringing up points and topics arent doing it to be dicks. The problem of no raid targets is real and happens week to week. Sometimes we get lucky and a scout in ToT says bloodfire is starting to spawn and we race there to get it and everyone is happy but most raid nights turn into us choosing between Yashira, a ED map in Lake Starfall, or flametalon mini.

Iksith is very inaccessible to casual raiding guilds and guilds that arent already killing generals or tier 10 thaz. I dont know if that was the intention, but thats just how it is. It is proven by the fact that there is only 1 guild doing it. Trust me, the vast majority of guilds want to experience it and have fun romping around bringing the fight to the Lizard Overlord.. we just cant. We love new content, end game PoFire is fun as hell and would be great if more guilds tried it and not just stop at the Guardian Mephit. A lot of the people who have commented in this thread dont have the same problems. They have zones that they know nobody is close to touching and dont have to fight with the masses for one or 2 "prime raid bosses" that are due to spawn. Thats great for them, they put in the time and hours doing the quests and are reaping the rewards. What im trying to say is that its not as easy as people are making it out to be ie: learn to track better lolz!

Wow, that got pretty long and im sure it sounds like im just rambling on and on and thats probably what happened but i hope you read it all and take it for what it is.. another frustrated player venting about a real problem in the game we all love to play (and its true.. i love SoD, i love the people in it, and have had tons and tons of fun in the years i have played).

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Short version: Raid targets that produce the upgrades are very few and far between in the tier 8/9 bracket due to heavy heavy competition, lots of guilds are casual raiders (ie 2 to 3 nights a week), undercity has tough trash, iksith raid content is inaccessible for most of server population, and PoFire is a fun zone. That basically covers what i talked about.

Im ready to be flamed

 

[Xach]

Iksith is very inaccessible to casual raiding guilds and guilds that arent already killing generals or tier 10 thaz. I dont know if that was the intention, but thats just how it is. It is proven by the fact that there is only 1 guild doing it. Trust me, the vast majority of guilds want to experience it and have fun romping around bringing the fight to the Lizard Overlord.. we just cant.

You're dumb.

There are several raid encounters standing around in the open with little to no trash or quest requirements in order to take them on. As well as plenty of encounters that are activated by completing quests, which can be done by a single group.

 

[@steria]

You're dumb.

There are several raid encounters standing around in the open with little to no trash or quest requirements in order to take them on. As well as plenty of encounters that are activated by completing quests, which can be done by a single group.

Im sure when you first set foot on Iksith you knew exactly where to go, who to talk too, what to kill, what item to loot, and that the effects of you doing said quest would spawn a tier 9 raid mob for us to enjoy!

With work and school i dont have hours to sit and grind faction and sift through countless quests trying to figure out which quest is the right one i need. Hell i spent a few days in the Murk grinding away what i could and im still one step above kill on sight. Another person in my guild has put in a lot more time than me and from what i can tell, not much father into gaining the trust of some frogs in a city. I dont know all the ins and outs of Iksith, i dont know what random outside red con would be a decent target to kill with my group of buddies who log on 3 nights a week.

I said iksith is very inaccessible for a casual player like myself and i just spelled out the reason as to why i think that. If i had hours and hours to find out the ins and outs i would.. then i would update the wiki so other people who are like me could build on that information and start to come into iksith and experience it more. Until that day, Iksith will remain the domain of one guild and a lonely place. /shrug. Maybe thats what the Devs wanted, maybe thats not what they wanted.. but the fact is thats just how it is right now (talking raid content.. exp groups go there but not as many still find the old world exp spots better).

The first thing you typed was "You're Dumb", i guess my response to that is "You're a douche", but hey if your first response is to start with trying to belittle people, i guess thats your choice.

 

[robopirateninja]

That's such a fucking awful attitude that I barely even know where to start.

"I can't bear the thought of the arduous task of actually playing this game, so I will wait until other people write me a step by step instruction guide. In the meantime, I'll complain about how there is nothing for me to do." Are you serious?

Ugh.

Im sure when you first set foot on Iksith you knew exactly where to go, who to talk too, what to kill, what item to loot, and that the effects of you doing said quest would spawn a tier 9 raid mob for us to enjoy!

No, they didn't. Guess how they found out? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't by stamping their feet and complaining about how HARD everything is.

Know how to find out how hard a mob is? Run up and see how hard he punches you. Have a healer nearby to rez you.

With work and school i dont have hours to sit and grind faction and sift through countless quests trying to figure out which quest is the right one i need. Hell i spent a few days in the Murk grinding away what i could and im still one step above kill on sight. Another person in my guild has put in a lot more time than me and from what i can tell, not much father into gaining the trust of some frogs in a city. I dont know all the ins and outs of Iksith, i dont know what random outside red con would be a decent target to kill with my group of buddies who log on 3 nights a week.

With work and school I managed to put in 8-16 hours per week of play/raid time and it seemed to work out just fine. Regardless, I'm not really sure how this is an argument against the "accessibility" of Ikisith since a lot of the quests are doable by a fresh level 65. You just have to, y'know DO them. A group of Goon Squad members recently took a group of level 55 alts to Ikisith and did great for themselves.

Iksith will remain the domain of one guild and a lonely place. /shrug. Maybe thats what the Devs wanted, maybe thats not what they wanted.. but the fact is thats just how it is right now (talking raid content.. exp groups go there but not as many still find the old world exp spots better).

No, Devs REALLY REALLY want other people to go there. That is why most of the quests are more timesinks than any sort of gear check. That is why Ikisith is liberally peppered with outdoor raid mobs that require no clear or questing to engage. That is why we keep posting and telling other guilds to go there and do content. It's there! Do it!

 

[@steria]

That's such a fucking awful attitude that I barely even know where to start.

"I can't bear the thought of the arduous task of actually playing this game, so I will wait until other people write me a step by step instruction guide. In the meantime, I'll complain about how there is nothing for me to do." Are you serious?

Ugh.

I know you read what i wrote since you quoted me, but "fucking awful attitude" or not thats just the way it is. I obviously cant speak for everyone but i know from talking with others that lots of people feel the same way i do. Family, kids, work, school all effect us differently and i apologize if it offends you that i dont want to spend my time killing X mob hoping for Y loot to drop only to find out the entire time i was killing the wrong mob and not even in the right zone to begin with because i miss-read some cryptic wording in quest dialog. You can play the game without getting help and by all means thats your choice, im just going to play the game and read the wiki while doing so.

I like a challenge, i like figuring out things on my own, BUT i dont like running around aimlessly just hoping that this new quest i got spawns something me and my guild can do and not just "thanks but the princess is in another castle". Case in point, as a guild we decided to kill PoFire end game. We had no idea how to get Gorz but we knew killing Maysun would probably be a good step in that direction and from the maysun fight we progressed to the point where we are about to kill the big guy himself which hasnt been done in probably 6+ months. Hell i even found out how to get a raid mob who isnt even on the wiki. What did i do then? Started to update loot tables on the wiki and help other guilds with how they could start doing end game PoFire themselves. Maybe now more will try it since they see what can come outa the zone and see that it isnt as impossible as it first may seem.

I never said that the quests were too hard and that it was impossible to do them. I said that in the limited play time that i have, i would rather do stuff that i know would progress my character the most and that i would enjoy. Spending hours and seemingly getting no where (ie: still one above KoS status) is not fun for me. You are talking about single person / 6man content, this thread was about raids and getting 18 people together and working towards a common goal of killing a big fat raid mob. On our raid nights we will still try to get ourselves bloodfire wing, mephar wing, the good thaz, and IP.. not run around killing random outside raid mobs that might be tier 6 - 10. You want Iksith to be used, you want people there doing the shit.. im letting you know why its not. Ask around and im sure the consensus will be the same. Besides, ive talked to a few TU buddies who have done the stuff and even if we were iksith raid flagged, i doubt we could do the content as it is. Until then, we will still be grinding away in ToT and the like!

 

[robopirateninja]

Until then, we will still be grinding away in ToT and the like!

If you are completely aware that there is brand new content that is uncontested but you just refuse to do it, I don't understand how you can possibly ask that any more things be made for you to ignore.

 

[cornelweezy]

No, Devs REALLY REALLY want other people to go there. That is why most of the quests are more timesinks than any sort of gear check. That is why Ikisith is liberally peppered with outdoor raid mobs that require no clear or questing to engage. That is why we keep posting and telling other guilds to go there and do content. It's there! Do it!

I've heard pretty much this same thing from maybe every staff member I see on the forums. Are you guys just pretending that we're retarded because people keep saying the content is inaccessible, or are we really?

I've spent hours running around ikky zones, dying, running back, scoping shit. Maybe I'm still too low a tier, but I feel (while yes, a lot of it is is empty unused space because peeps bitch too much about going out) that even if you got enough bodies together, the raids would blow. I went on a Tizanish pick up raid about 2 months ago and while the dinosaur was sitting there in the open, with relatively no trash around, the engage was absolutely miserable and we wiped hastily. The run was so annoying that after two times we called it. For an expansion with apparently enough stuff to keep anybody 55+ busy and entertained, I feel like you'd have to be 65+ or a 65 ranger/necro/monk&shaman to get anywhere out there.

And that's a damn shame. Dreadlands, Remnants, and a couple other zones make mighty fine exp groups. I think there's truth to the raid stuff. OH and yes, as of the time of this writing, there's apparently a lower tier raid mob added ala the MOTD. I wanna see it.

 

[Glamrin]

From previous forumposts I was under the impression that the ikisith outdoor raidingcontent was all intended for lower tiers but posts here seem to say otherwise. Are you saying that there are outdoor raidmobs in ikisith that would drop upgrades/sidegrades for tier 9-10 ? Because so far a big part of whats been stopping me is that I havent wanted to bring the guild over to kill stuff that would just drop rots.

Would it be completely unthinkable with some sort of intended tiermap or intended tierlist for ikisith?

 

[vistachiri]

From previous forumposts I was under the impression that the ikisith outdoor raidingcontent was all intended for lower tiers but posts here seem to say otherwise. Are you saying that there are outdoor raidmobs in ikisith that would drop upgrades/sidegrades for tier 9-10 ? Because so far a big part of whats been stopping me is that I havent wanted to bring the guild over to kill stuff that would just drop rots.

If you're talking about the dragon then no, he drops tomes. All of the tomes I've seen him drop come off of way easier things.

Elael is kind of a big unknown in some cases. I was around for a dino kill, pretty sure I recall being there on desif and having no interest in the loot, and he's one of my lower tiered characters. Other than that, I know tizanish did a bunch of pickuppy stuff there, ask him.

 

[Rorne]

I've heard pretty much this same thing from maybe every staff member I see on the forums. Are you guys just pretending that we're retarded because people keep saying the content is inaccessible, or are we really?

Listen I'm not on the staff so my lack of a blue name means you can believe me when I tell you that you can zone into prophets and there is "a walking mushroom" right at one of the murk zone ins all by himself. Beyond that there is another raid mob that spawns near the the Remnants zone, no trash around him. Another at night (I think) in the courtyard that leads to Kaesora with only some minor clearing, etc etc etc and this is just a fraction of outdoor raid stuff in Ikisith. Hell zone into remnants and raid the 6-man mobs with your guild if you're like sub tier 4 you're bound to probably find the droppables upgrades anyways.

If you can not access this raid content then I will be frank with you, you may well have some sort of mental handicap/retardation.

I went on a Tizanish pick up raid about 2 months ago and while the dinosaur was sitting there in the open, with relatively no trash around, the engage was absolutely miserable and we wiped hastily. The run was so annoying that after two times we called it.

Basically you had two things working against you in this case. One being that I'm sure the strat wasn't ironed our and the second issue which surely compounded that fact: that it was a pick-up raid. Really you should expect wipes when doing something for the first time with a solid guild of people who are used to working together let alone a random assortment of folks.

From previous forumposts I was under the impression that the ikisith outdoor raidingcontent was all intended for lower tiers but posts here seem to say otherwise. Are you saying that there are outdoor raidmobs in ikisith that would drop upgrades/sidegrades for tier 9-10 ? Because so far a big part of whats been stopping me is that I havent wanted to bring the guild over to kill stuff that would just drop rots.

PR amongst other guilds need to get off the pot already and flag a single damn person for Yclist, there is literally no excuse not to.

 

[Nwaij]

Well to chime in on this fun thread.. My guild has done almost all of the tier 7 and tier 8 raid content. So much infact that real upgrades are few and far between so that limits what we call "prime targets". Sure we can kill all of IP but at this point aside from certain items like the caster bracer, caster ring, and ulaz loot.. everything would be rot. The same is in ValorB, everything is rot loot except some of Enthans. In ToT lobby is rot loot, djar is rot loot, flametalon is rot loot. Bloodfire and beyond are all prime targets and will give us big upgrades.. but also gives upgrades to the 6 other guilds actively killing them. Same goes with lower thaz and upper thaz. So when we get on (kinda late, but we all mostly have jobs so the time really cant go any earlier than we already do) to raid most if not all the "prime targets" are dead or taken.

Undercity is an option but welcoming party is now rot loot status and it takes 3 hours to get to primalist for the 2 upgrades we would use (We take a long time to clear hard trash since we are so terrible). Now from what i understand there is a clicky that will get you take you past primalist but we havent found it or know how to get it yet so that is more wasted time.

Not only do you ignore new outdoor ikisith content, you also ignore oldworld content on your tier, like PoFrost. It really boils down to man up, know your options, and USE them.

 

[Rusheeth]

I was under the impression that to do hatesfury 6-man you just have to have good (max?) COI/BS/SC faction, and be t6 (probably more like 7/8), and maybe be good at button pressing.

I don't know for sure of course, but i just thought i would point out that it seems a little off to say you need to "progress to the point where we can kill farhags who will then allow us to kill generals who will then allow us to kill sanctum who will then allow us to finally see Iksith content".

 

[Otcho]

6 man progression is toon progression which is guild progression. spoilers

 

[Goldfolk]

Well speaking as Tier9/10 raider

There is some shortage of targets but specifically there is a shortage of attractive targets.

Ferdolen lives for about 30 mins before he is killed but Folerit and beyond and the Generals belongs to Bane

The Well is split between Bane and PR

Frost is contested as is ?Grobb but the clears make these fatiguing

While I think Technodoc has a point I also get the impression he wants something that is tough but not too tough. I have news for you Tier 9/10 is meant to be fucking tough for on-tier guilds cos at the time it was constructed it was end-game loot.

As regards Ikisith, HF is still too tough if the intention is for it to be accessible for T7+

Getting to Prophets is a pain if you aren't bound there. It takes a person with a life a good 2 weeks to get used to the zones but the rewards are immense in selected sites.

My understanding is that the intention is that Ikisith should be used by a large section of the server population. The Devs might like to consider making accessibility and the initial zone-in just a little less traumatic. If you have to journey to NWOT zone to Prophets and then find a bind in Dreadlands or Murk it's a real turn-off if u get killed in Prophet's Landing. It's no problem for the experts in TU but a 65 with 10 AAs can't fight their way out of trouble if they make a mistake.

 

[Otcho]

My understanding is that the intention is that Ikisith should be used by a large section of the server population. The Devs might like to consider making accessibility and the initial zone-in just a little less traumatic. If you have to journey to NWOT zone to Prophets and then find a bind in Dreadlands or Murk it's a real turn-off if u get killed in Prophet's Landing. It's no problem for the experts in TU but a 65 with 10 AAs can't fight their way out of trouble if they make a mistake.

Hello, I have flagged about 4 toons under level 65 and gone to ikisith, I have not been jumped by iksars or anything for that matter because I hit the con button and realized that things that scowl at me most likely aren't going to be down for crumpets and tea. As for inaccessibility I don't know what you mean, are you unaware that for well over a year we have had access to an easily acquired gate neck to southwaste, or that you can just simply bind in northwaste and ride the box again when you are dumb and walk into baldakans?

 

[Goldfolk]

Hello, I have flagged about 4 toons under level 65 and gone to ikisith, I have not been jumped by iksars or anything for that matter because I hit the con button and realized that things that scowl at me most likely aren't going to be down for crumpets and tea. As for inaccessibility I don't know what you mean, are you unaware that for well over a year we have had access to an easily acquired gate neck to southwaste, or that you can just simply bind in northwaste and ride the box again when you are dumb and walk into baldakans?

Eh Otcho you are one of best players on server, I am talking about people with lesser abilities.

I have the Vah neck on both toons, its still gate to SWOT, cross and Zone to Oasis, cross and zone to NWoT, cross and zone to PL, cross and zone to Murk or DL. OK I'm bound in Murk because I'm doing runic quests on my toon, for someone who is casually visiting it's a lot of hassle albeit worth it in the end. I made the point as gently as possible that more people would probably visit if it was just a little easier to get to.

 

[Notpit]

Well speaking as Tier9/10 raider

As regards Ikisith, HF is still too tough if the intention is for it to be accessible for T7+

This. A Tier 7 group is not gonna do this. Tier 10? Sure you can power through. It does help a lot that you only need one toon flagged.

Getting to Prophets is a pain if you aren't bound there. It takes a person with a life a good 2 weeks to get used to the zones but the rewards are immense in selected sites.

That sweet gate is a pita to get. But once I get it I will be set. The next goal is to get the rest of my guild to get that. I think right now only one guy has it. Right now, I have a strong love/hate relationship with the quests. They are pretty cool, but when will it ever end?

I do have a question. We have not seriously attempted to raid Ikisith. From my perspective I think it is gonna take forever to get everyone there. How long does it realistically take a raid force to gather at a raid target, if everyone is not bound in Ikisith?