Don't think thats for you or kerolynne to decide. You shouldn't deleted contributions based on your own beliefs on how a game should be played. People who don't want to see how the quest unfolds aren't going to look at it.
Pwned
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Don't think thats for you or kerolynne to decide. You shouldn't deleted contributions based on your own beliefs on how a game should be played. People who don't want to see how the quest unfolds aren't going to look at it.
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
Which of course is different from just asking someone how to do it and getting an answer nigh immediately. Which has always been the case with quests. The shaman mask quest years ago was the same way. Eventually this quest will be the same. It's already following the same pattern all others have. I'd extrapolate that this quest will become pretty much laid out much faster than most due to the immense amount of coercion of people needed to complete it. Having a massive chunk of active people either working on it, or helping with it means deleting wiki entries is completely irrelevant, and much like pissing in the wind. It hasn't really been a closely kept secret for anyone progressing on it so far. Granted, I tend to have my ear a bit more to the ground than most, but it's very easy to find out a large portion of the quest tree at this point without using the wiki from practically anyone.
Also deleting entries on the wiki with correct information I find to be absolutely hilarious, given the wiki's entire purpose is essentially spoilers.
Luccian
Dalayan Adventurer
then the cheaters who do use it are obviously to immature to just follow the story the way it was meant to, which of course will lead to "Newb, didnt finish (quest x) lol. I r teh pwn". its the same reason we dont have MQ answers and such in the wiki, because we dont need that info out there. you shouldn't be so helpless as to have to turn to wiki for everything, leeching off the people who were able to finish it on their own.
Too immature? And I never said I was too helpless, needing to leech, etc. You're extrapolating pretty hard.
I just think it's dumb to delete contributions, because you disagree with the information being available. Whether you like it or not that's what one of the reasons the wiki is there. Not everyone has to or wants to play the game in the same manner as you and assuming that one is immature for reading a quest walkthrough is just plain dumb.
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
As an aside. Yes, there are. The books are posted, and browsers come with a nifty search function.
Really if you're taking that position, with that particular logic, I'd expect that you'd be against the entirety of any quest being up on the wiki, which most...are.
Luccian
Dalayan Adventurer
maybe immature isnt the word to use, so i will retract that... however you shouldn't contribute information that may rob the player of the ability to figure it out on their own. most quests are easy enough to just read and do straight from the quest giver, consisting of dialogue to the effect of "mob x is being troublesome, please eliminate and bring back loot y"
I believe MQ answers are not posted for reasons like this.
I believe MQ answers are not posted for reasons like this.
iaeolan
Dalayan Elder
You assume wrong.
The MQ is posted in it's entirety save for the quiz answers which Wiz said explicitly to omit for reasons that players should learn the lore.
Deleting entries in the wiki completely contradicts the purpose of the wiki in the first place and you should be ashamed to be doing such things as an admin of the wiki, kerolynne. Seriously, you are doing no better than someone maliciously deleting content information on anything else with the purpose of keeping it secret from the rest of the community as an attempt to keep yourself with an edge after the fact of it being posted. You are negating the very spirit of the community wiki.
In all seriousness, shame on you Kerolynne
DookeyKing
Dalayan Adventurer
Arbitrarily deciding that this particular quest shouldn't have spoilers on the wiki is pretty...well...arbitrary. Maybe the answer is to just remove all quests from the wiki. And better take items down so the cheaters have to actually explore. And the spells...cheaters again. Hmmm. If you take down all the spoilers, what's the point of the wiki?? Oh that's right. SPAM.
Dynak
Staff Emeritus
What is the purpose of this, especially if staff hasn't stated that its not to be posted.
Maybe we really do need an official wiki that isn't trolled by highly opinionated players with an authority complex.
robopirateninja
Staff Emeritus
I don't see why your desire that it be there is any more legitimate than someone else's that it isn't. It is a player-maintained collection of information about this game, not a definitive how-to for how to complete every quest or task in SoD. A wiki is like a whiteboard posted in a public place, there's no controlling what goes up on it or stays up; it's their greatest strength and weakness at the same time.
I've certainly deleted some content from the wiki that I didn't think should be spoilered.
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Tyvec-a-tron
Dalayan Adventurer
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Mythryn
Dalayan Master
If you don't like it on being on the wiki, don't look at it. By your deleting content from the wiki, you're basically claiming your desire to have the information not posted IS more legitimate than someone who wants it on the wiki, and you've also just wasted the time of whoever posted the article about it.
This basically sums it up perfectly:
If people have the gear and man power to do the mid/later parts of the quest, yet lack the intellect to figure out some of the steps... well yea, I don't see this as too much of an issue. I mean, there are definitely parts that require sound thinking and a lot of frustration but that's how most quests are. I think the challenge level of figuring out a lot of these vah steps is backed by a very sound necessity for brute strength (as a guild, or large group of friends, really)
Cinn
Banned Jerk
I've always thought posting stuff on the wiki was like spitting in the faces of everyone who has done content, raid or quest, without a wiki.
Posting stuff on the wiki makes people hate you.
Making an official wiki would make people officially hate you.
Just like leaking raid strats makes people hate you.
tl;dr cinn is a game information elitist.
Posting stuff on the wiki makes people hate you.
Making an official wiki would make people officially hate you.
Just like leaking raid strats makes people hate you.
tl;dr cinn is a game information elitist.
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Cinn
Banned Jerk
I think I still have that breaker text document somewhere.
I should pretty much leak his amazingly accurate GOTSS Torment and 2 IP dragon strats.
Tyvec-a-tron
Dalayan Adventurer
Who's forcing them on the Wiki to find that information? Not everyone is RP oriented. Many are goal oriented and want to finish a quest without spending 40 hours finding out where an ambiguously described item drops. It's not for you or anyone (non-staff) to censor what information people are willing to offer up to others.
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
Tbh this makes me want to create an official wiki