Monk AA Suggestion

Jun

Jun

Dalayan Beginner
Id like to suggest changing the monk AA 'Purify Body'. Since Ive be somewhat frustrated lately with FD failure, and have heard lots of frustration from several other high end monks, Id like it to be replaced with a Feign Death AA Hotkey that is 100% failsafe with the same reuse timer. I feel it would be far more useful to monks, and gives us an advantage on shadowknights when you absolutely cannot have an FD failure. I see no real use to buying Purify Body, its basically something Ive lived without and something I plan on living without until there is virtually nothing else to purchase.
 
Another detail I left out, I think it would work best if it did not affect the usage of normal FD, therefore a monk can opt to use it after a failure. Considering monk FD failure rate at max seems to be 5%, and that raid monks certainly FD more than 20 times in the 72 minute timer in between uses, I dont think this would make FD a 100% thing for monks, but it would certainly help, especially on those pesky back to back FD failures that seem too happen all too often.
 
I also think that this is an excellent idea.

When pulling things in NDHK and other higher-end zones, it's quite frustrating to get the raid going, and then on the first split of the night, your FD fails, you die, lose every one of your buffs except Aego and Focus, and have to wait for death fatigue before you're even remotely effective again. And even then, unless you do a full rebuff, you're more vulnerable than you were before to death.

You would think that Feign Death would be down cold after doing it so much; Monks are main pullers in nearly every guild.

I would support even a three tiered AA system that would let Feign death never fail. There are AAs that make my double attacks never fail, and AAs that make the recycle on the FD button go faster.
 
I dont know. I like purify body. It comes in handy in alot of cases, and buying the hastened purification AA makes it something like a 50 minute recast timer. I dont really think having a 100 % FD button every 50 mins or so is necessary. If you time spell casting and have ethereal hotkeyed there really isnt any reason that you should be dying that often on raids (when pulling) unless you get a string of 2-3 failures in a row which is extremely rare. I like the way the AA is currently setup and I dont really think there is any need for a full proof 100 % FD every 50 minutes or so. The purify body is extremely handy later on in the game. I just wish that you could remove fear/charm since the cleric version of this spell allows for the removal of ALL negative effects you would think the monk version would be able to perform the same task.
 
Im pretty much "later on into the game" and still have never found myself wishing I had purify body. Also, the % on hastened purification could be changed to not make the FD reusable as quickly, because every 50 min seems like too often. Burning Ethereal sucks, also, and once exhausted pulling is definately a pain in the ass. Not to mention you cant use it again once exhausted. Luckily, I dont die often on raids, but it is solely due to Ethereal and my gear. I definately died a lot more at the entry level of raiding, and I can attribute too many of the deaths to FD failure.
 
Jinxat said:
I just wish that you could remove fear/charm since the cleric version of this spell allows for the removal of ALL negative effects you would think the monk version would be able to perform the same task.
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There'd be no way to click it, heh. :(
 
rab said:
There'd be no way to click it, heh. :(
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I know, would there be any way to change this ;)?

There is no way to change the % of time reduced on the AA if I recall. I never had a problem with pulling with no stamina after burning ethereal, and the stamina doesnt take that long to refresh, maybe 5-10 mins. I also never had a problem with dying that often even when I had horrible gear and pulling DHK TR room etc. FD failing is pretty lame, but if you are a decent monk then its really not that hard to survive for another 3-4 seconds or so until you can get another FD off (unless there are a lot of casters on your ass and you dont have decent resists).

This all aside, would a + FD mod help maybe to say the MQ aug? I dont really see a noticable difference in the + FK mod, so would a + FD mod even make a difference? Even if it the difference in + FD would be + 1 or 2 % total of a non-failure rate Id go for that.

And there are many fights where I either get rooted/dotted/whatever where I can simply purify and save the healers quite a bit of mana instead of making them blow 2-3 heals on me. I wont point any of them out, but I find purify body quite useful.
 
Many fights? Considering I can only think of maybe two at the high end where it would be nice to get rid of a DoT (and in both cases the DoT is either avoidable or dispellable), Im having a hard time going with many. Root I can think of two, but in one case the root doesnt really matter if youre smart about it and in the other you can counteract it easily. So unless it is actually useful in Thaz Tower, I dont know what youre talking about in regards to "many fights".
 
It doesnt really cause issues, I just think it's plain wrong to say its useful in many fights unless it is useful in basically all the encounters I havent seen that Jinxat has.
 
Off the top of my head I can count atleast 9-10 fights where purify body is useful. Only one or two are encounters that you havent seen yet. This doesnt even count towards when you are pulling and have a dot / snare / root on you that will get you killed. Basically I dont want to see a revamp in a useful AA just for a "sure thing" fd because people cant survive for an extra 4-5 seconds to get another fd off. In my opinion changing this would make the AA useless, and I dont want to trade a useful AA in which I use 2-3 times per raid to an AA that I will almost never ever use.

And yes, Im being vague because there are certain fights that you havent seen where it will be useful. According to steel you guys dont want any spoilers so Im not going to give out any hints as to what mobs its useful on.
 
I didnt say anything about you being vague, no point in bringing Steel into this.

Most fights with AE DoTs, there will generally be some group healing going on. So, if youre gonna be hit by these, whats the point of using purify body? As for root/snare... I cant think of a time outside of maybe Torment, Enforcer building in SK, librarians in SE, uh... those are it to my knowledge on pulling. Even then, monks get Freedom of Body and generally resist magic based snares/roots quite easily, and either way it doesnt = death. For Fear/Mez pulling, using the immune stance is easy enough and drains stamina very slowly. For single target DoTs while pulling, I cant think of a single one that is deadly enough to kill a raid buffed monk before the pull is over, including Sunderdrakes, where the pulling is minimal enough to get back to a bard with almost no problem.

Even if a failed FD doesnt kill you, it certainly has the potential to really fuck a pull youre working on, especially if theyre casters. Itd be nice for the more difficult splits in the game at the low to mid parts of raiding (NDHK Yziar/TR, some SE pulls, Firkaal, lots of trash in Torment/Air etc) where you can bank on having a get out of shit free card in this AA. I think it would be way more useful than Purify Body. Just because you use it 2-3 times on a raid, it doesnt mean its necessary that you do.
 
If a mob is so close that failing FD will kill you before it resets, you'll probably be killed while you’re standing to pop an AA feign ability. If you're pulling caster mobs in a similar situation, stay closer to your bard or further from the mobs. The alternative is to just pop ethereal, but it’s usually easier to just die and get rebuffed. Purify Body is pretty limited in its usefulness, but an AA feign is totally unnecessary.
Monks can spend a fair bit of time sucking floor due to FD failures, but that's the downside to having a feign that can’t be interrupted isnt it?

Basically, if you’re looking for a ‘get out of shit free’ type ability, a 72 minute AA feign isn’t it. An AA mend ability for example, would be far more useful in all situations, and give you the time to run/get beat on until feign popped again.

Purify Body is similar to a cleric's BDA. There are situations where its nice to have, but if you cant find a use for it, just dont buy it.
 
FFS Im not bashing steel, I dont want to give any fights away that ruin has done and steel hasnt and since you are the closest behind us it makes logical sense that I would not want to give things away especially when Ive been told that your guild members want to do things on their own. If anything its a compliment to you guys.

Anyways, Im done with arguing this point. If you cant manage to find a way to run around for another 5-6 seconds at most until FD repops then I dont know what to say. Mend refreshes every 6 mins and with max AA mend thats 55 % instant heal (and I hope you maxxed your mend AAs before purify body). Stamina refreshes every 10 mins or so. Thats a 55 % heal every 6 mins and about 10 seconds of invulnerability every 10-15 mins. I was pulling NDHK / torment / air when I had horrible gear, well below the tier we were doing. I never had an excess of deaths ever while pulling on SoD. As a puller you are going to die every once in a while due to shitty situations where there are repops or whatever, and I really fail to see how a 100 % FD every 52 mins is going to save you from dying and is even worth the 9 aas + however many you spend to reduce the recast timer. Regardless this in my opinion is a horrible idea; trading a useful/situational AA for a useless one.
 
I didnt say you were bashing Steel :psyduck: I just wanted to make it clear I wasnt insulting you being vague. No need to get on the defensive.
 
tbh, as a monk that has Purify Body and Hastened Purify Body, I would say it works fine for what it is, if you are really looking to change anything do one of the two:

a) Make it remove mez, fear and charm

or

b) Increase the time reduction granted by Hastened Purify Body. Nothing too extreme, just think 50 minutes is a bit excessive. The recast leads to a highly unused AA due to a fear of wasting the ability.


But, to be honest with you, the only TRUE AND REAL PROBBLEM WITH PURIFY BODY IS... (drum roll)...

you cant use it while you're feign death.

^ address that? and you're golden.

:psyduck:
cinn
 
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