Class Top 5 List (Thade version)

haha who knew i would one day benefit from this lists callous disregard for the best item in the game
 
course, the problem with this list is it seemingly doesn't look at the details of what actually makes a character better than another. admittedly it gets pretty subjective and i don't blame thade at all, but for example in my opinion valdian is a superior character to sintasia, capable of doing considerably more dps. velleity should out-dps temellin. i would prefer versul over xach on a megahard boss because of banner. for certain classes, runic2 means a lot, for others vah banner or 1.2 means a lot etc

for a cleric, banner, ashpyre, soul-shepherd, shared memories, blood of the brood, and crystalis make a bigger difference than a few more points of mana. as much as i'll enjoy to have my dick proudly displayed as the #2 cleric, them's the facts. there simply aren't fights in this game where a cleric can go oom easily, outside of one particular lady who's talents include pleasing four men at once
 
In regards to bango.

The top 5 is not balanced around what a character can do in an "OH SHIT" situation and never will be. While it is powerful when it's up (too powerful in many situations) it's not a permanent increase in character power. And while some of you have this perception that a vah back is a "win the game" button, it's not.

The top 5 is the best character overall not "for killing she who jerks off 4 guys" or "GIANT DRAGONS WHO BREATHE FIRE" it's -everything - and while vah back is insane it's just not that nice exping/duoing/farming compared to raiding and six mans.

As for valdian, I don't know if runic pets are even going to stay as powerful as they are. And otherwise he gets crapped on by sintasia (less defensive stats, no heal crits, less spell damage, less mana, less diety spec, and less conjuration).
 
it was me who said those things, bango delights in trolling his guildmates

anyways, its your list and you can do it how you feel, thade.
 
Krugz vs Hikage
Hp 8134 | 7809
AC 1978 | 1932
Haste 47% | 47%
Atk 150 | 150
Spec 16% | 19%
Str 493 |500
Sta 453 |366
Agi 508 |487
Dex 452 |450
Cha 336 | 264

Supreme | Eternal
Dmg 7 | Dmg 7
Heal 7 | Heal 7
6% Magic | 6% Magic

40% Stun | 24
26% Mind Shield | 15
10% Crit | 10
24 Dmg reduction | 25

Riposte 5 | Riposte 5
H2h 20 | 10
Block 20 | 21
DBl Atk 1 | 1
Dodge 0 | 5

Krugz has both Elemental Fists 1 and Force of body 1 done Hikage does not.
Krugz also has Avoidance and Resil 2 done Hikage does not.
Hikage has Opus of Striking 1 Krugz does not.

Both have Gemstone of the Storm
Krugz Deity aug finished Hikages is not
 
since thade is making me post this UGH

Eisley vs Eldorath
Mana 9559 | 9459
Alteration 25 | 17
FT 23 | 22
Tomes 32 | 25
Both Runics | None Runics

better in every way and eldo is inactive so unlikely to ping pong yeah ok


also while i'm here, Solosolki has Damage Increment 11.5 and is the #1 wizard over nwaij by a considerable margin imo
 
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STAT SOLO NWAIJ
HP 6665 6724
AC 1244 1278
MANA 9634 9683
FT 22 25
SPEC 15 20
STUN 16 27
MIND 40 40
WARD 10 10
AGGR -7 -9
DR 25 12
CHAN 2 0
DIVIN 15 25
EVOC 25 15
MED 25 0
DODG 10 0
DI 35% 24%
RI 35% 40%
MC 8% 8%
CSI 16% 16%
RC 95% 95%
HI 35% 21%
FIRE 0% 7%
COLD 7% 7%
MAG 7% 7%
COLD DAMAGE 229 131
MAGIC DAMAGE 30 65

TOMES:

Solo has opus of mind and magic mastery and resilience 2.

Nwaij has opus of flame and charisma.

CONCLUSION:

Solo has 3% higher crit rate, which on a wizard is ~6%dps. Solo has 11% higher DI.
Nwaij gets resisted maybe 3% less but tons of endgame mobs have essentially 0 resists so this is useful maybe 1/2? the time. Nwaij has ~.5% extra damage from diety.

So solo comes out at something like 15% more constant dps.

The only time we use fire is abstraction or the 2% of mobs that are cold but not fire immune, so on those solo only does ~8% more damage since I obviously cant swap in my golem arms/iskaath robe/etc.

Survivability is pretty similar overall. Nwaij's mana pool is a bit deeper with his FT.

Tomes come out pretty similar overall.

Nwaij has a vah back?!?!?!?! If you follow the silly rules here I think that means solo has elacity over nwaij? which would more than even out the FT/mana difference.

Vah back is fucking amazing on a wizard and just might make nwaij the superior raid character as long as you beat bosses on 1st attempt, but as thade has stated, this is an overall consideration, not just boss fights, and solo's ~15% superior dps easily counters any advantages nwaij may have.
 
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He's referencing the effect on Bane of the Fallen God.

Edit. The akhevan thing is 35% healing/damage if it works, according to the spell parser.
 
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In that case: about time slacker, the 4 months period you asked for expired about 2 months ago...
 
This shows my base damage for Archaic, Relic Fire, Relic Lure, RRR, and a bracer!.

It also shows unbelievers why crit tome/items translate to 2x or maybe more dps on a wizard. This example might be a bit lucky but really isnt uncommon at all for me.

solo1u.png


Its also why I will lose a parse to a rogue/necro when there is no chanter or they are busy, but if we all have gog/aod i can usually beat them (on the shorter fights at least)
 
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this is why new functionality should be tested before going live
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It is supposed to have a drawback, not sure if it was included in the patch or not.. but something along the lines of all damaging / healing spells cast will do damage to you.
 
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