Character flags to insure 2/3rd rule.
- Thread starter Snake
- Start date
I want this flag reset so I know where I stand. please FFS. Atm I cannot move around ToT and have no way to fix this. Despite the fact I have killed 5 wings in the last few weeks and have looted another Tribe ring. It would be nice if a GM could step into this thread and explain wtf is going on.
But to blanket ban people from a zone is pretty shit, im happy to lose my flags - thats fine I can regain them quickly, however it seems that you have no/very little understanding of the way things work.
As I said in http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showpost.php?p=217135&postcount=35 I would like an answer and a resolution to this.
To reiterate, regardless of flags I have no way to regain them as they have been nerfed from the server side. Despite the fact I have kicked down 5 Tot mobs and have mark of the well / mark of the tribes.
So my question is, how do I restore my ToT flags?
But to blanket ban people from a zone is pretty shit, im happy to lose my flags - thats fine I can regain them quickly, however it seems that you have no/very little understanding of the way things work.
As I said in http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showpost.php?p=217135&postcount=35 I would like an answer and a resolution to this.
To reiterate, regardless of flags I have no way to regain them as they have been nerfed from the server side. Despite the fact I have kicked down 5 Tot mobs and have mark of the well / mark of the tribes.
So my question is, how do I restore my ToT flags?
Last edited:
Nwaij
Dalayan Pious Diety
To get things right:
Now to comment your words:
2) Kill the well.
- You can controll 1st spirit as seen in your SS.
- You can not controll 2nd spirit.
- Slaariel explicitly said that he removed the ability to use well ring for people who aren't in a guild that killed well.
- Slaariel also told you that your flags are still there, and not to worrie.
- You claim to have killed 5 bosses in ToT since you are in your new guild wich puts you where? Mephar? (Been a while...) [EDIT: you said you killed Farhanniath the other night, someone is bad at counting bosses.]
Now to comment your words:
Kill the well, turn in your mark of the tribe, get a new mark of the well. If it still won't controll 2nd spirit, come back and complain. Till then, I question that you "tried to fix your flags". Also, lol @ can not move around. Well ring lets you skip the whooping ammount of one (1) mob at every wing, big reduction in move-around capacities.
A GM (actually a DEV) stepped in and explained it. Go re-read it.
Oh, you are banned from ToT? So you can't even get in there? OH WAIT! You are not banned! They just implemented a little something that makes it impossible for you and your guild to get to places in the zone where you have not yet earned the right to be, AS A GUILD.
Kill the well. Done.
1) Your flags are still there.
2) Kill the well.
Slaariel
*The Only Real Life Girl Dev*
don't worry a new system is going in soon that you all will love!!!! i reiterate that no flags were touched and am curious as to what the perceived problem is with mark of tribes.. as you know if you mark of tribes the greater fire spirit he knockbacks you into high warden area so i mean.. that not working is kind of a blessing as it's basically a suicide button. all marks of the tribes still function as before except they do not allow you to make the greater spirit fling you to your death.
but all this is moot because new flag counting system is coming in soon yay!
editing to say you don't need a new mark of the well, your old one will function just fine in the proper circumstances.. zero work has been undone. i have said this privately and publicly but individuals do not earn the right to use well rings, toons do not earn the right to use a well ring.. only GUILDS earn the right to use well rings.
but all this is moot because new flag counting system is coming in soon yay!
editing to say you don't need a new mark of the well, your old one will function just fine in the proper circumstances.. zero work has been undone. i have said this privately and publicly but individuals do not earn the right to use well rings, toons do not earn the right to use a well ring.. only GUILDS earn the right to use well rings.
Slaariel
*The Only Real Life Girl Dev*
if you jack into someone else's well raid and upgrade your mark on their dime that is a very large problem and would require rl death for the criminals so let's hope no one is talking about that. i agree the solution i implemented was not ideal, but well let me just ask here.. what legal thing can you do with a well ring that you can't do with a mark of the tribes if you are in a guild that has not killed well? i asked My Bros but now i will ask At Large.
Currently I am unable to move around ToT despite my efforts hailing 5 spirits and looting a new tribe ring in the past couple of weeks.
I may as well just headbutt a fu'king wall at this stage, people are saying well just reclear the Well. However that would achieve nothing as it wont re flag me. The crux of the matter is that I am no longer in control of Afips flags because of some misguided GM decision.
I have done my part and twatted 5 ToT bosses recently and looted another ring to try and fix this to no avail.
Either strip my flags completely or un-nerf me please. There was no reason for this to be done. Im perfectly happy to have all my my ToT flags removed, however in the current state I cant do shit.
That post was pretty negative, so here is some happyness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSntFujR6Yw&feature=related
Emerica
Dalayan Elder
Dude you're ranting for no reason here. You are just being dense about not being able to use your well ring because you chose to be in a guild that was lower than where you were initially.
Slar+nwaj+like 15 other people told you the same thing and you are just choosing to not read it(correctly or accepting it) and i got no beef with you but like really 3 pages of gripe is like wow calm down you already have your elab stuff anyways whats it matter?
Slar+nwaj+like 15 other people told you the same thing and you are just choosing to not read it(correctly or accepting it) and i got no beef with you but like really 3 pages of gripe is like wow calm down you already have your elab stuff anyways whats it matter?
Yea, I know at least one person/guild that got a well ring like that w/o even doing the well encounter rofl.
Maybe the dude just likes running in bloodfire and thinking up escape routes? Are you going to rob him of that joy? It seems silly that after allllllllll this time of people doing (or quite possibly not doing) scandalous things with their rings that someone comes along and decides to fix it. I remember a long time ago someone in Goon Squad told me they used old Ruin well rings to port past the flarefiend and THEN come back down and kill it to avoid people being stupid, and if I remember right it was deemed ok. I was also told by a Goon Squad member "whats a well ring?" as well as "Whats a flarefiend?" so I don't really know how they used it, but the way they said they used it was supposedly alright at the time.
As if there aren't bigger things to worry about / fix, your spending time on not one, but two new systems of "flags" in ToT?
As if there aren't bigger things to worry about / fix, your spending time on not one, but two new systems of "flags" in ToT?
Nwaij
Dalayan Pious Diety
You can... uhm... buff your FR by 62 points with swapping out just a single item? But thats about all.
Tarutao
Staff Emeritus
As Slaar said, there are some changes involving the well ring that will be implemented hopefully soon. I encourage everyone to experience it for themselves before posting: whines about the changes, complaints about the changes, proposed alternative solutions, or anything else of the sort.
I'm going to be somewhat forgiving for the uncalled-for drama in this thread that I can trace back to a level of GM activity that has been a bit lower than desired. This includes Renshu's comments about pickup-raids for which I now provide a proper response: "Thank you, Dev-Slaar, for serving as a field-GM in this referenced instance when no other GM was immediately available. I trust that you made and will continue to make the best judgment calls you can make whenever in a field-GM situation, and this instance reassures me that this trust is deserved."
Regardless of the impending changes, there are two things I feel I need to say regarding pickup raids, not just in Tower of Tarhyl. A guild raid that is bringing in a few ringers or botting in characters outside of their guild cannot then claim suddenly to be a pickup raid. Attempts to misconstrue a guild raid as a pickup raid to staff would be dealt with as attempting to deceive staff. Additionally, de-tagging or re-tagging characters to disguise a guild raid will be considered as attempting to deceive staff. This is in-line with the policies already in place.
I expect a level of decorum that has been missing from this thread to return immediately, and I expect it to remain even if and when some aspects of the impending changes become viewed as downsides by certain individuals. Be polite, be respectful, or be gone.
I'm going to be somewhat forgiving for the uncalled-for drama in this thread that I can trace back to a level of GM activity that has been a bit lower than desired. This includes Renshu's comments about pickup-raids for which I now provide a proper response: "Thank you, Dev-Slaar, for serving as a field-GM in this referenced instance when no other GM was immediately available. I trust that you made and will continue to make the best judgment calls you can make whenever in a field-GM situation, and this instance reassures me that this trust is deserved."
Regardless of the impending changes, there are two things I feel I need to say regarding pickup raids, not just in Tower of Tarhyl. A guild raid that is bringing in a few ringers or botting in characters outside of their guild cannot then claim suddenly to be a pickup raid. Attempts to misconstrue a guild raid as a pickup raid to staff would be dealt with as attempting to deceive staff. Additionally, de-tagging or re-tagging characters to disguise a guild raid will be considered as attempting to deceive staff. This is in-line with the policies already in place.
I expect a level of decorum that has been missing from this thread to return immediately, and I expect it to remain even if and when some aspects of the impending changes become viewed as downsides by certain individuals. Be polite, be respectful, or be gone.
robopirateninja
Staff Emeritus
this is why we can't have nice things
Slaariel
*The Only Real Life Girl Dev*
if you mean any of this you are really dumb so i'm going to assume you are having a joke in which case kinda funny C-
WOOPS missed the call for decorum! What I mean to say, of course, is that your tinfoiling and drama attempts are unwarranted, ineffectual, and as a whole reflect poorly on you and you alone. You reveal yourself only as an exceptionally credulous malcontent uninterested in any positive progress and focused solely on trouble-making and belly-aching. If you are unable to develop a sense of dignity for our sakes, please try to accomplish it for your own. Thank you.
Last edited:
uh pretty sure slaariel knows how it works as he lead a guild through generals
I was gonna call you out on the lack of decorum, but I was at work so I didn't feel like posting at the time.
I'm not tinfoiling at all, never once did I try to call favoritism, or anything silly like that. Mostly the point of my post was to say its a waste of Dev time going over this ToT business when there are plenty of projects that you could be working on that the server by and large would be happy about, as opposed to this ToT business you are doing that nobody likes because it makes no sense (from a, why do this now? standpoint). I just personally see no reason why someone who has done the well before shouldn't have the ability ( obviously just for themselves ) to run all happy-go-lucky through the merry land of Tarhyl. If it's going to be like that, just remove well rings completely so it never has to be visited again in another thread and you can spend your time once again paying attention to useful things.
robopirateninja
Staff Emeritus
yeah, pointing fingers at goon squad of yore, which happened at the time to be led by the developer who is now making these fixes doesn't sound like tinfoil at all.
"a waste of dev time" is kind of a terrible argument for anyone to make, especially anyone who isn't a developer.
First of all, you really have no idea how long anything takes. As someone who came to this with little coding/programming background it's amazing to me the things that can take A THOUSAND HOURS FOR NO REASON and things that seem huge are sometimes conceived implemented and working in hours.
You have no way of knowing which category this project, or any other is in.
Second of all, we are volunteers. We make and repair what we please, when we please, as meets with the approval of our Glorious Overlord
We tried to prevent this behavior with rules.
We tried to prevent this behavior with stricter, quantitative rules.
These attempts have proven (for me at least) that if it is possible to cheat, people will attempt to do so. Now we are doing our best to make it completely impossible to cheat in Tower of Tarhyl (an exploit using a system that was originally designed entirely for the player's convenience, might I add)
I don't really understand your arguments against repairing a possible exploit in raid progression, the only reason I can imagine that people would want it to stay the way it was is so they could continue to cheat.
As has been said before, a trillion times, every time anything is buffed, nerfed, balanced, or destroyed and dropped into a smoking crater in Lake Starfall, just because it was like that before, doesn't necessarily mean that was the best or even a good way for it to be, and definitely does not preclude anything from getting better. All Devs have the same goals: to make SoD as good a game as possible. Unfortunately for some of you out there, we all think this means that you should have to complete the raid progression as we intended when we designed it.
Bottom line, what is and isn't a waste of developer time isn't something that you are informed about or qualified to determine.
Last edited: