Cella/Crystalis nerf

Waldoff said:
I am afraid you are going to have to be more specific or elaborate on how this entails to the discussion if you want an actual response.
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Mostly I just wanted to set up my last line, so I could watch you sperg out....but Reehs basically said word for word what I was going to say (but didn't, because I wasn't trying to thread derail super hard).

I can farm for a week or two and buy a cmal3 tank. That's a jump in power. Giving healers an excuse to mele isn't.
 
Silosobi said:
One point I would like to make in regards to this "make the highend easy" mentality is that (as fidel mentioned) these fights aren't really dont require high skill, fast button pushing, or anything that 98% of people can't do. I think the biggest requirement is that you have 18 on-tier un-boxed characters. FWF has never had to asy "oh x person is bad they cant do our content". What we have had to say is "well we have a few boxes tonight, so were not going to try the t13 fights".
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Having been in both FWF and Exodus at the time when The Custodian and Saitha was progression content, I can state with certainty that gear checks and skill checks on fights at that tier and up take a backseat to "box checks." You simply will have a much harder time boxing on those fights. I don't remember having 18 humans ever on an exodus raid. I also don't remember priests ever meleeing on these fights when they were progression content. If they are able to do that now that should be kind of the luxury of having outgeared it. I don't think thats a bigger luxury than having 18 humans in a raid.
 
fxattack said:
Having been in both FWF and Exodus at the time when The Custodian and Saitha was progression content, I can state with certainty that gear checks and skill checks on fights at that tier and up take a backseat to "box checks." You simply will have a much harder time boxing on those fights. I don't remember having 18 humans ever on an exodus raid. I also don't remember priests ever meleeing on these fights when they were progression content. If they are able to do that now that should be kind of the luxury of having outgeared it. I don't think thats a bigger luxury than having 18 humans in a raid.
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I don't think saitha is a great example because it isn't a bad box fight but for the harder content past that, see custo, golems past custo, rujik, shanre, blaze wind, etc it is much easier to bring a lower tiered person in than to box for those fights. For instance Nublia was healing taeshlin rujik etc and was a solid 2 or 3 tiers below the other healers, probably in the range of 1-2k mana shy of the other clerics.
 
I guess there is a fundamental disagreement between staff and players as to how much power is gained through these and other t12-13 items (or how much power is justifiable for the time/effort it takes to obtain things)

Just switching them to only-dps procs would probably be fine by 90% of players though, and it would alleviate any question of whether healer-meele is trivializing gheals.
 
I haven't boxed double druids since The Eternal Well.

I would accept any solution to these weapons that doesn't make it worthless to melee. I want something to do on raids besides watching health bars and counting 18 seconds between relic hots in my head
 
Radaere said:
I haven't boxed double druids since The Eternal Well.

I would accept any solution to these weapons that doesn't make it worthless to melee. I want something to do on raids besides watching health bars and counting 18 seconds between relic hots in my head
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you have BEES now, and runic and and thats about it really.
 
Moraelintz said:
For instance Nublia was healing taeshlin rujik etc and was a solid 2 or 3 tiers below the other healers, probably in the range of 1-2k mana shy of the other clerics.
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this was because zedaine is good at the game and keeping group hot up
 
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