Bard Twisting

Constant repetitive key pressing isn't challenging, it's tedious
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This is what I agree about. Being able to twist mana, haste, SoW, whatever else, is not making the bard class too easy. And when something does happen for CCing, the bard will need to put the same attention he would not DCing as you can't twist CCing, and if it is possible things can still screw up.

Having symphonies will not simplify the bard in a way overpowering. Also, I'm 100% up there with this idea because of Karpal Tunnel (spelling? =\), arthritis, and tendenitis. And yes, those are actually possible if you play alot on the computer doing stuff that a bard would have to do. Constant clicking like that is retarded. My hands get annoyed enough using the canni key, I couldn't imagine even trying to play bard. (Being a musician, I'm afraid of the above problems) I haven't seen a bard complain about syphonies being put in in this post.

The people who disagree don't seem to get it. Go make a bard for 65 levels, and then do 200 AAs and come back and tell us how much you disagree that symphonies should get put in, after you realized the tediousness, the sore hands, and lowered playtime due to how stressful playing the class is. How many main bards are there level 65 who play. Foma, Timir, Pharuan..I don't even see all three online alot. I know quite a few bards who gave up and started a new character because of this also. I propose auto attack be taken out for some of the melee healing combos so that I realize just how tedious being a bard is. I bet without autoattack, bards (good bards) would still be doing more.
 
I think bards should be able to get symphony. From what I got from Wiz's post, a bard song is pretty much like any other buff. So therefore, a bard twisting 4 songs is like... *gasp* having 4 buffs on you!!! Except buffs dont really take any effort at all, and even without perma, a buff class has to cast their amazing buffs like what? Every one, two, even three hours?

I see bard symphony and regular buffs on the same level, and bards vs. shaman/enchanter/etc the same too. Lets say you have the bard symphony 4 songs and autofollow someone. This would be equivalent to having a shaman/enchanter casting 4 buffs on the person/group/raid and autofollowing. In both cases, they are not being used to their full utility and potential. If you wanted either class to be used the best they can, the bard would (on top of the symphony) be mezzing, slowing, snaring, and whatever else bards do, while the shaman/enchanter would be mezzing, slowing, snaring, healing, etc. In this case, its much easier to 'bot' a shaman/enchanter well than a bard, since after buffs are cast they only have to worry about current events, instead of worrying about that and keeping up their regular 4 songs (which they cant, since they cant twist much more). Correct me if I'm wrong, but I view topics like this with concrete examples, so this is my view, take it for what it is.

ps. [off topic] Taking away auto-attack from melee's would have a lot of melee's complaining. They would have to spam press a button every time they have to hit (which is a LOT), and it would require no skill and would be very tedious. That really sucks, especially if thats already the case with a certain other class which already has to mindlessly spam their 'range attack' button ;( . Maybe I'll start a new thread...
 
If people are going to insist that bard MUST be a class where you repeatedly have to spam click. Take away auto attack, and see how long it lasts before people quit being warriors, monks, rogues, etc. Not to mention DCing a cleric/healer at the same time. That sounds like alot of fun. I would love to be a melee after that change. Also, after hearing what that's what bards must do...how many people decided not to be bards?

I sure wouldn't be one.
 
yes i've played a bard, to 60, and yes clickign is boring, but jeez, how can i possibly attribute this to a ch chain?? well perhaps its a stretch, but you are talking about repeted keystrokes based on a certain delay modifier. now, if you had some wonderful process to do all these carefully delayed keystrokes you've created an automatic process, which doens't involve user intervention unless say.. a spell fizzles, wow, that's just like a bard, so your bard has to click a couple of the same buttons a lot. all classes do. You just don't seem to see it. what they dont??

Druid padder on a raid.. cast heal!!!... CAST HEAL!!!!..... CAST HEAL!!!.... CAST.... yeah u get the point.

SK?? HATE SPELL! HATE SPELL! ATK/DEF TAP!!! LIFETAP!!! HATE HATE!! TAP HATE HATE TAP TAP HATE HATE TAP TAP

in the end the whole game is based around redundant keystrokes, the only thing bad for those bards is you have to push the same button twice in a row :(
 
Raherin said:
If people are going to insist that bard MUST be a class where you repeatedly have to spam click. Take away auto attack, and see how long it lasts before people quit being warriors, monks, rogues, etc. Not to mention DCing a cleric/healer at the same time. That sounds like alot of fun. I would love to be a melee after that change. Also, after hearing what that's what bards must do...how many people decided not to be bards?

I sure wouldn't be one.
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There's no ranged auto attack and people still play rangers.

:?
 
Raherin said:
Constant repetitive key pressing isn't challenging, it's tedious
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How many main bards are there level 65 who play. Foma, Timir, Pharuan..
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Twisting does get tiring, but it really doesn't bother me all that much. I just like the idea of Symphonies because I'll be able to run more stuff. I'll probably be twisting the same amount.
 
Why do people have problems with this... so it makes bards easier to dc... who cares. I won't be dcing because my comptuer can't... and people aleady dc bards look at girthy and shurley... so plz just wait till this goes in before you start complaning that bards are gods of dc whoring...
 
Timir said:
Why do people have problems with this... so it makes bards easier to dc... who cares. I won't be dcing because my comptuer can't... and people aleady dc bards look at girthy and shurley... so plz just wait till this goes in before you start complaning that bards are gods of dc whoring...
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Girthy can't do 4 songs while also playing Shurley, which is the entire point.
 
If he is twisting 4 songs, his wizard isn't going to be used to full potenial at all. I would guess he's just playing mana song, *or* snaring....I think playing mana/snaring and nuking with wizard....would be really difficult.
 
Eli, I think that Melwin was trying to say that was the point: that by Girthy twisting four songs Shurley wouldnt be used to her full potential, or by having Shurley used fully then Girthy wouldnt be twisting four songs.

IMO, bards should still get symphony though~
 
Symphonies would be awesome for bards, and I seriously doubt that many more people would be dcing them.

I could see if we were allowed to run as many chars as we wanted, everyone would have a bard following their group around. But we are limited to two chars at a time. So if I dc with my bard, I cant play some other char.

My point being that making bards easier to dc isnt going to make me dc Puella any more than I already do simply because it would mean giving up another char for the bard.

To me, making them easier to DC is a non issue because we are limited to two characters anyways.
 
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