Bard Procs

Nodnal said:
I still am not very keen on the fact that a bard pulsing relic dot and procing would be comparable (and FAR less work) than a bard twisting both dots and a DD or two. Also, I think bard dps is hard to gauge since it is so dependent on gear. Even Felyn who was max tomes for a long time just now started to out dps other bards at his tier due to the lack of a percussion mod.

Maybe the "not procing while casting" thing was put in as a balancing issue, but as many have brought up...why add AAs that help with procs if bards don't have many opportunities to do so in the first place?
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I will post parse numbers once I get that done. It's um . . . on 'the list' =[.
 
Has there been any confirmation from Wiz how this is supposed to work? Just kind of curious if anyone has found out any info.

Thanks~
 
From IRC today...

[12:58] <Wiz> what is the question
[13:01] <Felyn> oh hey wiz...is the fact that bards cannot proc while casting a balancing issue, or a client issue ? zak said he thinks he could fix it, but didnt know if it was there for a reason
[13:02] <Felyn> sec, lemme get the post
[13:02] <Felyn> http://www.shardsofdalaya.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16492&highlight=bard+procs
[13:03] <Wiz> its because if you proc while casting a spell
[13:03] <Wiz> it will bug you
[13:03] <Wiz> so your casting locks up
[13:03] <Wiz> ergo its there for your protection
[13:03] <Wiz> its a client side bug
[13:03] <Wiz> and as far as i know insoluble
[13:03] <Wiz> but if someone managed to fix it its np
[13:04] <Wiz> thats what i recall anyway, its been years since i worked on that stuff

Seems like the issue may be a bit harder to resolve, but if you ever get a spare second to look at it, Zak, that would be really cool.
 
I wouldn't rush Cyzaine. He has been nice enough to take a look at it while he has a ton of other shit on his plate including the much anticipated and almost complete deity augs. I am just glad it can be looked into in the future.

Also, I think Ikisith is more pressing than a bard issue.
 
not trying to rush, just bumpin the thread lol so it doesnt get forgotten hehe.

Also some admin-xyz told me like a week or 2 ago and wanted to know our bard melee skillcaps in order to parse, regarding this issue, so i was wondering if there are any news yet alrdy. but it has time off course
 
Being I play a necro in game I'm allowed to bump this kinda thing. Also we said we'd try to let you better know whats going on so...

I got a solution to this problem, and testing is going well. Bards can now proc while twisting. It is related to a bunch of other minor issues as it turns out, including chest plate procs not being able to occur while casting, and the recent arcane echo bug.

The down side is that if the proc occurs while casting it 'interrupts' the spell bar, making it disappear. Spell will still complete when cast time is up, but you won't be able to see the meter. Now this happens to bards all the time for a variety of reasons, so it's probably not a huge deal, but it could be one for the other 2 cases mentioned above. The fix will probably go live before I figure out how to address that minor bug though.
 
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Zaknafean said:
Being I play a necro in game I'm allowed to bump this kinda thing. Also we said we'd try to let you better know whats going on so...

I got a solution to this problem, and testing is going well. Bards can now proc while twisting. It is related to a bunch of other minor issues as it turns out, including chest plate procs not being able to occur while casting, and the recent arcane echo bug.

The down side is that if the proc occurs while casting it 'interrupts' the spell bar, making it disappear. Spell will still complete when cast time is up, but you won't be able to see the meter. Now this happens to bards all the time for a variety of reasons, so it's probably not a huge deal, but it could be one for the other 2 cases mentioned above. The fix will probably go live before I figure out how to address that minor bug though.
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This rules Cyzaine, thanks so much! And yeah, as a bard I don't rely on the spell bar at all but I can see how it may be an issue for other classes say their BP fires off or whatever.
 
Thank you so much for fixing the proc while casting issue!
I noticed that if the proc occurred when a song is being cast, the song will not kick in even after the casting timer is completed. It is no biggie but just FYI for bards.
 
Hmm, that doesn't sound like it is working as intended. Maybe Cyzaine can clarify.

On a side note...what did the "fixed the tome issues" in the MOTD mean?
 
Apologies from me is what it means. Seems in all the confusion of staff vacations etc, I put the wrong binaries in the other night. We DO have a fix, and unless something drastic happens, they will go in tonight.
 
I payed close attention to my procing today since the patch. And honestly it still seems to me as if proccing does not *properly* work while casting songs. I indeed had occasional procs while twisting songs, but veeeery rare. I payed very close attention to this today and while I very often chainproc when just leaving the relic chant tick, while twisting I did proc alot less. And within like 3 hours of First ruins groupage I only noticed a proc while casting, like two times total.

Maybe this is intentional i dont know.. or I was just very unlucky so far.. Wanted to hear if other bards have tested it yet or if there are some restrictions/limitations to the proccing while casting songs, or should you proc as much as if you were not casting songs at all - thats what i thought was the way its working now.

Are you supposed to be able to proc twice or more while casting a song now too or is it restricted to only one proc per cast?
 
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Myrah I had the same experience.
So...to sum things up.

Before finalized patch:
The proc would occur when a song was being cast, but the song will not kick in even after the casting timer is completed.

After finalized patch:
Proc was not happening while twisting songs, I paid close attention to it, for more than 3 hours.
I stopped the twist and the procs went off fine.
 
I made some new testing and this is definitely still broken:

I went to elds castle and casted Froglok illusion + cmal gloves on me, unequipped my weapons so i dont do much damage and chaincasted Jolt on mobs.

The good thing about jolt is it has a message "You play the song of dawn" when you start the song, and one when it lands "xyz winks."

I just chaincasted jolt to simulate twisting songs (or just spamming one.. basically just casting all the time i mean) and I did not proc at all. Very rarely right between the finishing of one cast to starting the next cast.. but since i was just spamming that cast button that didnt happen much at all.

Then i stopped to chaincast, and just leave the song ticking. And I proced normally.

To be honest it even seems to me as if we are procing less now than before while twisting, but thats probably just a feeling. But definitely still somehow broken =(

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I will continue testitng some with /log on to provide some evidence.

EDIT ... well providing a log is a bit difficult for this, since there is too much other spam over the time of a fight to effectivly see that no procs happen while casting. But always up to reproduce the test under supervision.
 
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I think I figured out what is the problem with the procs still:

Only equipment-type procs (weapons and bp.. dunno bout bracers, dont have proc bracer to check) can go off right now while casting.

Innate procs (Sonic Blades AA) and buff-procs can not. That explains why I did not get any procs in my earlier test bare handed. I tried 4 different setups now.

Bare fists + constantly casting = no procs
Bare fists + not casting = buff procs
Weapons + constantly casting = only weapon procs (rare procs overall)
Weapons + not casting = all procs normally

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Hope my research helps =)
 
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