Warrior riposte damage.

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What the fuck?

You pulled out a list, I made a correction to it, suddenly its a comparison? If your guild raids with the same main tank every single raid day every single week I don't give a fuck if the tag reads <Magical Fluffy Bunny from the Land of Beyond>, that is your fucking main tank. It has nothing at all to do with this entire argument and to suggest that it has anything to do with my credibility as a warrior makes me want to eat my keyboard.
 
Mythryn said:
Exactly the same? The only thing that is different between SK and Paladin tanking is the tanking styles, and these parses were done in /s 3 (for the knight, /12 for the warrior).
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Ahh, thanks! I didn't know it was just styles that were changed when the 2 classes were re-aligned.

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Magina said:
For the vast majority of fights, /s 9 will last if not the entire fight, the majority (use acumen) maybe in a couple longer fights, and encoutners in tier 8+ which I haven't touched yet, that may be true, but that is a small portion of the raid game as a whole.
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If you believe this, you are very wrong. And yes, I know what Acumen is used for, thank you.
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Couldn't have said it better.
 
Magina said:
yea, as a paladin, i'd LOVE to see the parses for /s 4, it REALLY doesn't seem all that good when I use it, but hell, I havne't parsed it, so again i'd love to know. Also, warrior /s 9 parse, you know, the stance you *should be tanking most fights in* would be great to see.

Also, if knights are so amazing, could someone please explain this list to me:

Guild - Tank
Aeternus - Gwaine
Amicii - Mafate
Army of Exile - Budrick
Bane - Behn
Chaotic Winds - Jaxelthorpe
Ethereal - Bopper
Exodus - Grimar
Goon Squad - Fuwok
Novus Ordinatum - Kuldain
Numinous - Ardenn
Phoenix Rising - Ratkon
Revelation - Gunder
Sacred Band - Tyvec
Twilight Underground - Ringo (Paladin)

One paladin, and as per a previous post that is already explained. I've raided both a warrior, and a paladin, and while I *do agree* warriors need a little bit of love, it's apparent to me by that list, that nearly EVERY guild is usuing a warrior, leaving me with the conclusion of either A: every guild on that list but TU has no idea what they are doing, or B: Warriors are not as useless as they are being made out to be.

Also, if at all possible I would love to see parses comparing pally/warrior/sk mitigation in their tanking stances, /s 9 for warriors, /s 4 for paladins and I don't know what for sk's, throught hte tiers. 1,3,5,7 and 9 for a more clear look at tank progression/mitigation.
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I don't know who decided ringo was TUs main tank, but it's not accurate. Our primary tank depends largely on the particular fight and the raid configuration.

GuiardoTuneweaver said:
Ahh, thanks! I didn't know it was just styles that were changed when the 2 classes were re-aligned.
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but if you're not this isn't true. Shadowknight skill caps are higher than paladins. I believe at least parry for paladins caps at 235, and some others may be lower as well. Shadowknights and warriors share tanking skill caps.

In fact, most classes are balanced in part by their skill caps.
 
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Zaela said:
It is possible that my GM info is lying to me, but Paladins and Shadow Knights appear to have the same skill caps for Dodge, Parry and Riposte: 225.
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You're correct, I'm not sure where Mang got that idea from.
 
That... is... holy fuck. Find me something paladin-related so that I might break it, and then eat it in an attempt to absorb some of its power.
 
This is some solid proof that its broken as hell (we already figured as much, but I think this is a lot more than anyone besides maybe Kharras anticipated). However, I would still like to see a parse of a warrior shielding a warrior, mostly in comparison to that last figure posted which blows everything imaginable right out of the water.

And it does happen, when I took over for Kharras and then he later came back part-time, every now and then we sometimes take two warriors places.
 
Zaela said:
It is possible that my GM info is lying to me, but Paladins and Shadow Knights appear to have the same skill caps for Dodge, Parry and Riposte: 225.
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This was told to me by woldaff. That will teach me to listen.
 
We have been working on a tank rebalance for some time. On one hand I am glad these parses were publicized because it will give people something to point at when they feel the grave injustice of the changes.

I am locking this thread - you are welcome to remake it after the changes go live as they have been planned to for a while.


Post Script- Zaela looked at the database for the skill cap which is not where Wiz changed the effectiveness of it. Although I am starting to get the feeling the nerf was vastly exaggerated somehow.
 
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