Threadbare Emblazoned Cape's Clicky

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Kirin Folken

Dalayan Elder
Threadbare Emblazoned Cape

Magic Lore Item No Drop
AC 20
Effect: Bravery (must wear clicky,7.0 )
Str: +9 Dex: +9 WIS: +5 HP: +55 MANA: +45
Weight: 0.5 Size: Small
Class: War,Shd,Pal,Rng,Rog,Mnk,Bst,Shm,Brd
Race: All

Considering this drops from Diff Tmaps, the clicky is rather lacking. Considering Diff tmaps your looking at 2 groups of 60+ people (most likly 65 with AAs), at this level bravery is just a laughable clicky. So i was wondering if prehaps it had the wrong clicky?

I would suggest something a little more with the level this item comes from, or prehaps turning it into a Focus Effect of some sort. As it currently stands the clicky might as well not be on the item. Since Sk are on this cloak as well, It might be nice to also see +5 Int on it as well, or remove the Wis Bonus and replace it with +5 Cha, this would effect all classes that could wear this item.
 
It's a clicky that none of those classes can cast on themselves - a nice bonus for those who don't have access to buffbots.
 
Its a lvl 24 clr buff 115 hps ? and you can cast it on lvl 4 ppl in starting zones i bet they all hate the buff when i run around and clicking it on random ppl :haw:
 
The item doesn't seem all that great for the difficulty in attaining it. It's alright statwise, but the clicky is pretty gimp. It's about the only item from a D map that is any use for a monk, and its not as good as imp hide or a pestulant shark hide cloak.

I think D map items in general could use some looking over, particularly their weight, since almost every item that is monk usable has weights that are far too heavy to make use of them. 2.1 for gloves/5.0 for a belt as just a couple examples.
 
To be honest it seems like a piece of "flavor" to me. If it's just a coincidence I say it's too perfect to change and the item could be buffed with a few more stats instead.
 
When thinking of stats however the Cape of Old Hopes would suit the clicky better i'd say. 20 agi and 10 dex makes that cape a bit more nice
 
A slight stat increase could also help the item if the clicky was indeed a "flavor" thing, Definitely needs alittle something. Half of the classes that can use this item would only use the buff when theys solo and couldn't find a buff anywhere else. And if your soloing and counting on a 100hp buff then you have other issues to be worrying about. The other half of the classes would never use this buff at the point they would get this item.
 
Threadbare Emblazoned Cape

Magic Lore Item No Drop
AC 20
Effect: Bravery (must wear clicky,7.0 )
Str: +9 Dex: +9 WIS: +5 HP: +55 MANA: +45
Weight: 0.5 Size: Small
Class: War,Shd,Pal,Rng,Rog,Mnk,Bst,Shm,Brd
Race: All


Imo the clicky should be changed its nothing special the stats on the cloak arent all that great either.
By the time most 60+ w/ AAs get this cloak its clicky is a moot point. Most will have aego. Its useless for
a pally as they can cast the same line of buffs and theirs is better. How about giving it the same clicky as
the cloak of preaching voices had? (+1 regen/ +1 FT ) Perhaps have it as a worn effect 1 regen/1ft/5atk.
People would certianly like that more than a buff that they cant use 99% of the time.
 
It seems to me that Diff. Tmap drops should be a significant improvement over deepmetal/imp/shadowsilk. I don't know what the stats are for the back pieces, but that cape doesn't look too impressive for the classes that can wear it. The clicky might be fun, but it's not particularly useful, since any time you're grouped with a cleric, paladin, druid, or (I'm guessing) ranger, it will be overwritten. I could see it counting for a couple of stat points, but it shouldn't be much.
 
Hasrett said:
It seems to me that Diff. Tmap drops should be a significant improvement over deepmetal/imp/shadowsilk. I don't know what the stats are for the back pieces, but that cape doesn't look too impressive for the classes that can wear it. The clicky might be fun, but it's not particularly useful, since any time you're grouped with a cleric, paladin, druid, or (I'm guessing) ranger, it will be overwritten. I could see it counting for a couple of stat points, but it shouldn't be much.
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Just a note I thought I'd throw out, and this could very well be related to the current state of the market, but the average difficult tmap costs less or the same as a piece of deepmetal, imp hide or shadowsilk armor. If the gear was substantially better than these items it could do wonky things to the demand for tradeskilled items.
 
robopirateninja said:
Just a note I thought I'd throw out, and this could very well be related to the current state of the market, but the average difficult tmap costs less or the same as a piece of deepmetal, imp hide or shadowsilk armor. If the gear was substantially better than these items it could do wonky things to the demand for tradeskilled items.
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It just that expensive for a suddent demand of it. Dont know why, but ive seen people sell and buy Diff tmaps for the price of v.d. tmaps
 
brasileira said:
It just that expensive for a suddent demand of it. Dont know why, but ive seen people sell and buy Diff tmaps for the price of v.d. tmaps
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Cause D dropps off the Quest pieace and VD doesnt dropp it ?
 
That's a good point, Tyrone, but I think a lot more things factor into the balancing. When buying the tradeskilled stuff, though, you're getting what you want. When doing tmaps, the chance of getting the particular item you want on any given map is pretty small. Then there's simply the difficulty of doing the maps. You need a pretty solid group to do a Difficult map. You also have to compete with the others present for the drops you want, and the slots available for a given class are limited. It's not like you can replace a suit of Deepmetal by doing half a dozen Diff maps; you might replace 3 or 4 slots (if the drops were balanced to be preferable).

As a side note, I've actually been planning on going through the tmap drops and comparing the slots available for certain classes, since my impression is that casters have a far wide range of useful options than tanks and DPS, but I haven't had a chance to do so. So I'm not going to make any broad statements or suggestions about that until I can present some evidence to back it up.
 
Latten said:
Cause D dropps off the Quest pieace and VD doesnt dropp it ?
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Na, was all of suddent. What ive seend is that many melee are looking for it, im guessing cause of ring of warding
 
Hasrett said:
As a side note, I've actually been planning on going through the tmap drops and comparing the slots available for certain classes, since my impression is that casters have a far wide range of useful options than tanks and DPS, but I haven't had a chance to do so. So I'm not going to make any broad statements or suggestions about that until I can present some evidence to back it up.
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That's been my experience with t-maps. Except for emblems on VE/E maps, caster loot is the rule and melee loot the exception (Yes I know, random numbers are random, but we're talking about a large sample).
 
Thats my impression as well, most T-map drops are geared more towards casters. (with the odd 1 class only items that really have no place on Easy and Very Easy t-maps).

I would rather see the Clicky on this cloak turned into some kind of constant effect, focus effect or something like Ferocity I or II. Or FT or Recovery etc etc.

Even a Lowpt Damage Shield (like a 6pt barb shield clicky) would be mroe useful for these classes then Bravery.

I looked up that other cloak (old cloak from Very Easy tmaps) The stats on that cloak blows this ones out of the water. The only thing this cloak has going for it is the AC 20 over the other cloak. Now 15 more AC over the other cloak is good, but once again i wonder is that really worth a Diff T-map drop in comparison? with its stats not being as good as the lower end cloak (or having the Skill mod like the other cloak)
 
I don't think I have time at work today to put together a comprehensive comparison of tmap items, melee vs. caster, but if no one beats me to it, I'll probably try to do it some evening.

Who knows, maybe I'll slack off today and see what I can do.
 
I'd personally rather see the clicky replaced with some crit strike. I think that'd put it more in liine with the difficulty of getting it.

As to the melee vs caster items in tmaps... i'd have to agree that they seem heavily skewed towards casters. There's a ton of nice caster items and very few good melee items. Out of all the melee items, there's an even smaller amount that are monk/bst usable, and of those, an even tinier amount of items that are actually light weight enough to consider using on a monk.
 
I thought I had already posted on this thread before, but apparently not. The effect may not be that great, but it is an affect that only Paladins can cast. I guess I am still just a really big fan of being able to cast spells that my class can not normally cast (breaking the rules is fun). This is a nice little buff if you do not have a cleric/paladin in the group. Also, if I am not mistaken, this buff also heals. It may only be a ~100 hp heal, but it sure beats bandaging.


Also, I apologize for skimming, but what was the recast time on this item. If it has a long recast, then I agree the effect may need adjusting.
 
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