The HoT awareness thread
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zodium
Dalayan Elder
Re: heh.
Shaman buffs don't fade instantenously. If they worked by not taking up a buff slot and instead simply added X to your Y stat every time it was cast for Z time, then yes, it would probably be warranted.
But that's not how they work, and noone would probably ever use them anyway. And before you spin a major argument out of that little sentence, let me add that regardless of what you might say to win the argument here, I don't for a second believe you would use it the majority of the time. I know I wouldn't.
As for clerics, I don't know what a problem being of a totally complete nature means, so I'll let you clarify that.
Anadin said:
Shaman buffs don't fade instantenously. If they worked by not taking up a buff slot and instead simply added X to your Y stat every time it was cast for Z time, then yes, it would probably be warranted.
But that's not how they work, and noone would probably ever use them anyway. And before you spin a major argument out of that little sentence, let me add that regardless of what you might say to win the argument here, I don't for a second believe you would use it the majority of the time. I know I wouldn't.
As for clerics, I don't know what a problem being of a totally complete nature means, so I'll let you clarify that.
rab
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A totally DIFFERENT nature. Or a completely DIFFERENT nature. I'm sure you're smart enough to have realized that with the context, so why point it out like that?
Besides, I think you're attacking his post as if it were serious, when he was just providing a silly counter-example to the "free spells for what you do best!" argument. It's intentionally exaggerated.
So, from what I read is that the only way that CH could/should be taken out is if it is replaced by other spells that would do the same trick, just in a different way (combo of HoT and "other" heals). Why would the dev group here waste their time making an overly intricate heal system that would be usable for raids, spending weeks or (likely) months balancing it, only to end up with the same end result as you get with CH? Wow, it might be interesting to figure out a new way to raid, OR, it might be extremely annoying that you are wiping on a mob you used to roll right over on your way to the next in the midst of figuring it out. Sounds like a gi-normous waste of time.
and to remain true to the original subject of the thread, I also, as a warrior, hardly ever use my HoT spells.
and to remain true to the original subject of the thread, I also, as a warrior, hardly ever use my HoT spells.
Ok, this tread has become silly (atleast I think so), it is the HOT awareness tread, not remove CH awarness tread. HoT's has been looked into by Wiz and has changed to the better after the last patch. Removeing CH from the game would do nothing but destroy the raid game. I have to admit that I RARLY use CH in xp grouping any more, but on a raid it's basicly the only spell I use except when I need to pad someone. There is no way you could replace the way CH works, atleast none that I can come up with, and aparently none that the developers could, or CH would have been removed ages ago. CH has a cast time of 10 secs because it works like it do, no items or benefits change that, it's allways 10 sec cast time, that is the only thing that makes this spell "balanced", oh well, enough flameing, I'll stop here and hope this tread does too.
(sorry for bad gramma and spelling errors)
(sorry for bad gramma and spelling errors)
zodium
Dalayan Elder
Re: heh.
Your argument was quite baseless and that's what my post was trying to illustrate.
Wizards were very good at burst DPS, but burst DPS makes you one hell of a shitty group member, so wizards were given a means of doing sustained DPS without a means of matching the sustained DPS of classes designed to do sustained DPS as opposed to burst DPS. That does not translate into free heals for clerics, which clerics can do both sustainably and in bursts already, or buffs for shamans, which are - as shown - not even relevant in this context.
If you have a valid, relevant argument that isn't exaggerated nonsense, feel free to make it, but so far I've seen no such thing.
Anadin said:
Your argument was quite baseless and that's what my post was trying to illustrate.
Wizards were very good at burst DPS, but burst DPS makes you one hell of a shitty group member, so wizards were given a means of doing sustained DPS without a means of matching the sustained DPS of classes designed to do sustained DPS as opposed to burst DPS. That does not translate into free heals for clerics, which clerics can do both sustainably and in bursts already, or buffs for shamans, which are - as shown - not even relevant in this context.
If you have a valid, relevant argument that isn't exaggerated nonsense, feel free to make it, but so far I've seen no such thing.
adfas
Melwin that is exactly the point he was trying to make he was making a sarcastic remark about the idea of clerics getting free heals
I'm not sure that you read the post by millenimy on the previous page. I'd recommend clicking back a page and reading that post first. Then posting then closing this thread or moving this junk about CH to a new thread on a seperate forum.
May I please have admin rights and just lock this thread? really it just keeps going down hill
Cyrus
Gweniva
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Winning an arguement online is like winning in the special olympics, sure you won.... but your still retarded.
Melwin that is exactly the point he was trying to make he was making a sarcastic remark about the idea of clerics getting free heals
I'm not sure that you read the post by millenimy on the previous page. I'd recommend clicking back a page and reading that post first. Then posting then closing this thread or moving this junk about CH to a new thread on a seperate forum.
May I please have admin rights and just lock this thread? really it just keeps going down hill
Cyrus
Gweniva
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Winning an arguement online is like winning in the special olympics, sure you won.... but your still retarded.
deeho81 said:
The only reason I would think to get rid of CH is that it is dumb. Its like, err how would I put this...well this doesn't really show any arguement, but take a look:
We all live in the real world. Most of us work. we get to work in different ways, some in cards, busses, etc and some ways are more effective and so on and so forth. Now immagine if instead of using a conventional method, you could just teleport to work?
In EQ CH worked because it was implemented when tanks only had a few K HPs. Now its just too efficiant and not really 'good' for the game. I understand that no one would want it removed because it is such a powerful and wonderful spell that the game revolves around...but seriously, look at it from a neutral possition, is it really all that fair or does it seem like a role-playing idea ? what kind of epic battles are fought with people hideing behind a rock casting full health spells on one fighter then calling out to another to help in the 'chain'?
Whatever, these types of arguements are dumb b/c it A) wont get changed. B) nobody really wants it changed. C) if it did get changed, people would be angry for about 48 hours while they figured out a new almost-as-efficiant way to raid. just my 2cp though...
peace please :hug:
i'll give you a gold star for effort, at any rate. 
i think it has been around for too long to change. the game has been continually balanced around it since it's creation. i don't think anyone can deny (after the number of posts stating the exact same thing) that removing CH would not be a fun thing, for devs or players. And without fun, what's the point? seriously. Unless you're an addict but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
if a guild can come up with a way to raid a mob without CH, i'd be interested in reading about that (good luck, and i don't mean theoretically. post up how you DID it). Otherwise this thread has turned into a broken record, of which I am guilty of playing myself.
i think it has been around for too long to change. the game has been continually balanced around it since it's creation. i don't think anyone can deny (after the number of posts stating the exact same thing) that removing CH would not be a fun thing, for devs or players. And without fun, what's the point? seriously. Unless you're an addict but that's a whole 'nother can of worms.
if a guild can come up with a way to raid a mob without CH, i'd be interested in reading about that (good luck, and i don't mean theoretically. post up how you DID it). Otherwise this thread has turned into a broken record, of which I am guilty of playing myself.
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