Shaman runic 2

Obscenitor said:
Shaman are mostly interchangeable with a Druid so long as you have someone else to slow (Enchanter or Beastlord). With all that being said, Shaman perform much better than Druids as supplemental healers ...
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First of all Slow is mostly mitigated, it doesnt do alot. Much more important that you aux alot.
Secondly alot of the incoming DPS is from stuff that you cant reduce with slow, DD, AE, Piercing...

As for being a better supplemental healer, are you kidding?
Druid can do hots to do a nice flow of healing on the tank, they can do a better big heal than shm's, and they can actually g heal and there g hot is usable, unlike the shm's.

Relic: Woundbane
1650 heal for 285 and 3.75 seconds.
hp per mana raito: 1650/285 = 5.78
hp per seconds ratio: 1650/3.75 = 440

Revitalize
1955 heal for 340 mana and 4 seconds.
hp per mana raito: 1955/340 = 5.75
hp per seconds ratio: 1955/4 = 488,75

So slightly less mana efficient (0.5%), but 10% better healing over time.


Don't get me wrong, i don't want the Shm to be a better g healer than the Druid, but please stop all the nonsense and old idioms that are no longer true, and get the shm back in the healing game, atleast just a little.
 
Radaere said:
Sorry that was mean, what I meant to say is show me any parse where any Exodus cleric comes ANYWHERE close to 900. In fact, I'll take any parse that shows them doing even half of that.
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Show me any non fwf parse where shm does 900 dps. Should be silly easy as apparently all (but the ones i parse) does 900 dps...
 
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Snake said:
Show me any non fwf parse where shm does 900 dps. Should be silli easy as apparently all (but the ones i parse) does 900 dps...
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Oh so you figured out how to use a parser in the last few weeks?

[Sat Apr 14 09:58:28 2012] Zanman tells the group, 'what parser?'
[Sat Apr 14 09:58:34 2012] You tell your party, 'eqcompanion'
[Sat Apr 14 09:58:37 2012] Thanman tells the group, 'strange'
[Sat Apr 14 09:58:43 2012] Thanman tells the group, 'mine tells me i do no melee damage'
[Sat Apr 14 09:59:00 2012] Thanman tells the group, 'i cant get any parser to tell me what i do melee'
[Sat Apr 14 09:59:04 2012] Thanman tells the group, 'it tried a few'
[Sat Apr 14 09:59:08 2012] Thanman tells the group, 'eqcompanion too'
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Also, I am sure that comparing Zurkka to Eisley for dps is the best thing you can do to attain class balance.
 
Yeah im still curious to how you parse melee damage in Citadel (thats what we talk about in that quote).

When ever mobs name has "Claw" in it, it doesnt parse melee damage.

Most other people tell me the same, but i guess your special, just like you see all Shamans around you do 900 dps....
 
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Snake said:
Yeah im still curious to how you parse melee damage in Citadel (thats what we talk about in that quote).

When ever mobs name has "Claw" in it, it doesnt parse melee damage.

Most other people tell me the same, but i guess your special, just like you see all Shamans around you do 900 dps....
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Sorry if it is out of context, I wasn't paying much attention.

Here's my point regardless: even if you don't have a parse of a shaman doing high dps, it doesn't mean it is impossible. You don't have a parse of a cleric doing high dps, because they don't. If you want a "group heal" on a shaman, be ready to give up canni, dots, and utility.

tl;dr: SHOULD HAVE MADE A DRUID????
 
My argument of high dps clerics are just as well documentet as yours about shamans.

As for my statement "more clerics can break 900 than shamans", i nominate Eisley and Eldorath as my "champions". Now show me your list of Shamans who breaks 900 dps.
 
As for Druids who have broken 900 dps, basicly anyone who had r2 when it was still crazy, heck that could be the list of druids who broke 2k dps.
 
Radaere said:
tl;dr: SHOULD HAVE MADE A DRUID????
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If i had to create a healer today, for sure i wouldnt make a Shaman.

Would i make a Druid? Probably not, would most likely run a Cleric, as they are far better healers.
Druids have crazy nice buffs though, and its always nice with track and ports.
 
Radaere said:
If i had to create a healer today, for sure i wouldnt make a Druid.

Would i make a Shaman? Probably not, would most likely run a Cleric, as they are far better healers.
Shamans have crazy nice buffs though, and its always nice with slow and dots.
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Yes, clerics are by far the best healers, but shaman and druid are actually pretty interchangeable, especially if you are in a guild with 5(?) mained clerics or whatever.
 
Shamans can slow, and spam heals on the tank, sure.
But they dont in anyway come close to what druids can manage.

If your doing stuff where the tank is getting pounded, there is no AE, aka just damage on the Tank, the Shaman is decent -> amazing (depending on the dps on the tank and time frame).

If your up against AE, or in general any form of incomming dps that require group healing, the Shaman is in no way interchangable with the Druid, in fact the Shaman is pretty rubish.


In general, Shaman's cap earlier on how hard hitting mobs they can heal.
Their slow can change that to their favor, but the cast time of 3 seconds can be fatal to the tank.
Group healing, sorry n/a, bring a healer, aka, Paladin, Druid or Cleric (can gamble on a Bst for the pet heal proc), or you can "run" around snared and slowed....
 
Snake said:
Shamans can slow, and spam heals on the tank, sure.
But they dont in anyway come close to what druids can manage.

If your doing stuff where the tank is getting pounded, there is no AE, aka just damage on the Tank, the Shaman is decent -> amazing (depending on the dps on the tank and time frame).

If your up against AE, or in general any form of incomming dps that require group healing, the Shaman is in no way interchangable with the Druid, in fact the Shaman is pretty rubish.


In general, Shaman's cap earlier on how hard hitting mobs they can heal.
Their slow can change that to their favor, but the cast time of 3 seconds can be fatal to the tank.
Group healing, sorry n/a, bring a healer, aka, Paladin, Druid or Cleric (can gamble on a Bst for the pet heal proc), or you can "run" around snared and slowed....
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What about monsters that AE and hit hard? What happens when the group healers are casting group heals and the tank takes 1-2 melee rounds before that group heal lands? Good thing there is a consistent stream of healing coming out of a shaman to keep the tank up while the group is healed. Can you replace the shaman with a druid? Of course. But I don't see the benefit of having a raid healed by 5 group healers (clerics/druids) instead of 4 group healers and a shaman outweighing what a shaman can bring to the table.

Just get over it. Clerics are the best over all healers, and both shamans and druids are interchangeable supplementary healers. Sure, a druid can replace a cleric in a pinch. I'm sorry a shaman can't. I'm sorry you can't find good use for your runic1. Zurkka uses it on some of the hardest fights in the game (See: All the ones you've never seen) and without him hotting a group, the fights would be manageable, sure, but much more difficult in my opinion.

If you can get Zurkka to post and say that the shaman needs better group healing to be a competitive class, I'll stop arguing with you and kneel before you as a shaman god.
 
Verdict is stupid strong, having said that, Eisley still never came even close to 900 unless he didn't heal at all.

Also the same can be said about a cleric with Ancient: Hammer / Crystalis / Cella -- they aren't going to eclipse 400-500 dps unless they aren't healing.
 
Snake said:
My argument of high dps clerics are just as well documentet as yours about shamans.

As for my statement "more clerics can break 900 than shamans", i nominate Eisley and Eldorath as my "champions". Now show me your list of Shamans who breaks 900 dps.
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Zurkka, Thade, Naragako, Pagloac -- I have seen all of these Shaman break 900 DPS while still maintaining healing -- because they can keep 2 DoTs running and either A) rain from afar while healing inbetween (their rain is absurd btw) or B) melee with Divine Rage + Bear form procs inbetween spell gem refresh from healing.. both methods will get you over 900 DPS pretty easily if you are tier 11 or higher.

Using an ITEM (Verdict) as the reason for your argument is silly and proves your incompetence. This item is stupid rare as only 3 have ever dropped in over a year of killing the mob. Still, it is probably too strong but it also damages the wielder and drains their mana very fast.
 
Bango paints a really rosy picture for shm 900 dpsing while healing.

Rdot casts 3.0 gem refresh is what 2s? Caress cast 3.2s gem refresh 2 more sec for 10.2 sec dots wear off in 13.8s. So ya u can heal and dot but dotting keeps a cs7 shm busy ~40+% of the time.
Cant really maintain healing well while doing that. My shm can do bursts of 900dps in cit on golems if doing nothing but dpsing but its not the norm.
 
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