Riesen's Ever-growing list of items!

Abelfaec

Abelfaec

Dalayan Adventurer
This a list of items I am coming up with that need to be considered for stat re-evaluation that I beleive will help restructure the market, helping to fix alot of the economic issues we're seeing;

so heregoes:

Zone: Lasanth
Mob:a mutated skullcollector
bone-shard guantlets;
Mob:Havestor Mgegnik(sp?)
corpse treads;
Mob: a minotaur Warden
minotaur hide jerkin;
Mob:painmaster ungath (sp?)
whip of endless agony;

Zone: Icewell Keep
Mob: Kaztra the Shardslayer
belt of conundrums;

Zone: Sorceror's Labyrinth
Mob: Kobold clan cheif
Frozen chainmail tunic;
Mob:unknown
Frozen chainmail leggings;
mob: a battleworn sentinel
hammered coldsteel helm (definitely needs attention);

Zone Heartlands Undercaverns
mob: a damaged clockwork
gleaming oil polished boots (definitely needs attention);

Zone: Sirens Grotto
mob: various in th shrine area, elementals, etc
kelp woven bracer, woven kelp bracer? forget the order;

Zone: Eldenal's Mansion
mob: Silenna Elthannar
chainlinked skirt (not as bad as other examples, but still good example)
mob: Elthannar Head Chef
entrails of an unknown beast;


Zone: lair of Mielech(mielc)
mob: a war golem
warblade;
mob: unknown
1)frogskin tunic;
2)rogskin legs;
mob: an unstable froglok
shiny metal bracelet;
dull metal bracelet; ( know people use both of these, but 50 hps with such low ac just isn't good anymore, and there's alot of clearing to get back here to unstable froglok; Possible ac increase? maybe minor stats change? who knows.)
experimental axe (wtf?)

Zone Red Sun Mines
mob: a goblin storemaster
cracked lavastone bracer;
mob: a corpe-collecting imp
patched flesh cap (definitely needs attention);


zone: Freeport
mob: Captain ______(name evades me, he's on the balcony in the backyard of the building the sergeant spawns in) WFP
1)helmet of the bone captain;
2)carved bone bracer;
mob: an undead sergeant WFP
armplates of perfection;
mob: Groflah NFP
cloak of divine phantasms;

zone Crystal Caverns
mob: Ninre, High Preistess of Zarad
pauldrons of the high preistess;


This list will inevitably get longer as items come to mind, and as i dive deeper into the wiki to remind me.
 
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A lot of clearing to unstable??? You can invis like the entire way thier if you had to and thiers only 2 mobs in his room. Plus you can pull him single if your in the back.....

Plus I wouldn't count 16 frogs as a lot of clearing....

Anyways.. I get the point of your post :)


I would also like to add...

Mirpts 2 swords out of MielC
Necklass that drops off trash in Siren Grotto
Cabalists Dagger out of Mielc

These are no drop, and drop in zones that by the time you would hunt thier you won't use these items. You might as well make them droppable even if they had crappy vendor prices.
 
ok... you have a list... honestly i don't get it. All you have done is made a list and said this is broken. there's no proof, no comparison, no nothing. It seems all you've said is "buff these items so they will sell better."

Also, many of these items are the lesser drop from a named with a much superior drop, such as warlord signet and oil polished boots. Experimental Axe is a 50/50 axe with magic damage as well as the focus is great for rangers.
 
Your post would be a lot more helpful if it was organized by zone - since not all zones have been done for pricing yet, it would help me separate those which were set incorrectly from those which just haven't been gotten to yet.
 
the hammered coldsteel helm (battleworn setinel drop right?) is pretty laffo shitty. compared to the other items off named in the pit and castle area.. its like a mielechb lite drop.
 
Kirin Folken said:
A lot of clearing to unstable??? You can invis like the entire way thier if you had to and thiers only 2 mobs in his room. Plus you can pull him single if your in the back.....

Plus I wouldn't count 16 frogs as a lot of clearing....

Anyways.. I get the point of your post :)


I would also like to add...

Mirpts 2 swords out of MielC
Necklass that drops off trash in Siren Grotto
Cabalists Dagger out of Mielc

These are no drop, and drop in zones that by the time you would hunt thier you won't use these items. You might as well make them droppable even if they had crappy vendor prices.
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i agree with this. there are a few usefully no drop items but most are craptastic and take up inventory space if you have them. Imo make them all sellable. Some would sell for a crap load some nothing (selling to players).

example: Wing from Icy Watcher, Wand from Icy Watcher, Wand from Blackice Golem (there are more but i am having a brain fart atm)

wing would sell ok, its just lev. Wand of Ice or whatever would be a nice seller cause its a free nuke, blackice wand is just.. wtf (can't remember if its a range item as well, but at least it has stats if it is.
 
Allielyn said:
Your post would be a lot more helpful if it was organized by zone - since not all zones have been done for pricing yet, it would help me separate those which were set incorrectly from those which just haven't been gotten to yet.
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I don't think he's referring to pricing. If I understood his post correctly, he's suggesting that the listed items be reworked/tweaked to match difficulty to obtain them. Which I don't really see happening...
 
Pricing needs to be reworked, but yes, they need to fixed.

Mostly the items fall in the lower end 65 exp zones: Melc, kedge but not the deep part, mostly the junk near the hammerheads)

This post goes hand in hand with a post i made in the balancing forum about the economy and the weird shift/potential crash i see happening.

But yeah, he's right, this post was more of a "look at the stats of these items, because their crappy stats is creating a void in the market between low and high end loots)

I know mielc was revamped. and love everything new that came from there, but like it was mentioned cabalist's ritual knife is still pretty lol.
 
Daelius said:
ok... you have a list... honestly i don't get it. All you have done is made a list and said this is broken. there's no proof, no comparison, no nothing. It seems all you've said is "buff these items so they will sell better."

Also, many of these items are the lesser drop from a named with a much superior drop, such as warlord signet and oil polished boots. Experimental Axe is a 50/50 axe with magic damage as well as the focus is great for rangers.
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Understandably, with the warlord's signet. i don't like the idea of making a really crappy common item, but it's been in game, and yes, the other loots are fair enough. So we can leave it there.

I can start to go into details:

Let's start with lasanth:

With the exception of everything in front of the minotaurs, it's safe to say it's not a terribly easy zone. The nameds aside from the skullcollector are pretty painful. Namely gnyrt the cursed. I like both his drops, i think ring of spiked bones and collar of endless energy are useful items, though they are sold for specific things, usually twink items.

Skullcollector isn't all that hard, but i'd venture to say it's easier to kill davan the filthy in wpl, where it's open air, no roamers around you, and only 1 potential add that can be removed easily. Lasanth now has 2 invis dropping traps which seem to be inconsistent, because i've managed to get past them countless times, but at least 8 or 9 i get smacked by them and have my invis dropped in a room full of minotaurs. None of skullcollectors drops are really that great. He has a toy item, that summons a level 44 necro pet, which yeha, that's cool, but it's 1 use, and it is his rare. Bone shard gloves(gauntlets?) i forget which they are, are craptastic, and could easily fill in a spot in the void of available tank gloves for that range. Currently only really mt by the revenant's gauntlets (nice, and balanced for the fact they have ft2) and frozen chainmail gloves (one of those items i said vendors almost 90% of the time because it's value to a vendor exceeds it's value to players).

I've taken the time to list the clearly crappy items that are out there. With the exception of the ones i put paranthetic comments after noting that they might be arguable, these items truly suck. I'm not picking shadowilk here and saying it needs 1 more int, i think that if anyone with half a mind looked at the majority of these items they would lol themselves enough and want a beer.

I can break down a discussion on each of these items, and if that's what it takes, I will. But i think it's largely unnecessary, i assumed the only reason these items went so long without a good hard look from dev's was because they weren't noticed, not because the dev's disagree that they have crappy tats for their location.

But by all means, if you want me to expand this into a thread with a paragraph for each on why it's such a crappy item, how i think it impacts the availability of items for a class or a slot, or how i think it impacts the economy; buddy I've got nothing but finals left, and i'm not the type to study a whole lot. So i got the time to do it.
 
Daelius said:
Also, many of these items are the lesser drop from a named with a much superior drop, such as warlord signet and oil polished boots. Experimental Axe is a 50/50 axe with magic damage as well as the focus is great for rangers.
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gleaming oil polished boots drop from a mob with better loots?

I'm sorry, but heartland undercaverns is probably the most annoyingly hideous zone on this server. The lagg is arguably the worst i've ever seen, just because of the modle and the clip plane forced by it ( may be wrong what causes this, this was explained to me by someone else).

Put that aside and you have mods that shout(stun), root (metallic net), counterspell, and everything sees invis with the exception of the fungus dudes at the very entrance.

I don't know if you're aware what drops the gleaming oil polished boots, so i'm go out there and just tell you, damaged clockwork. His respawn is insane, and he's in the last area you could argue without talking about the protector house.

I like the oxidized ball bearing, i like the shim woven leggings. And they are rare cause that house is a total pain in the ass, but they are balanced for it. Damaged clockworks loot is just crap man, shim bracer, gleaming boots, ok the melted down sprocket is "ok", and gets used a fair share, but it's not really a good item man, and if that's the "pinnacle" of an item he drops, everyone should want, then i lol even ahrder. It's not a bad item, but for the difficulty to get here, the pain in the ass it is on anyone that would use it. The melted sprocket should be the common drop to a mob where the stats of the rare drop justify the melted sprocket being so meh.

I've been told damaged shares a loot table, never had it confirmed, but i know the mob in question. The mob in question is a royal pain in the ass, and aside from a bunch of tier 7+ aoe aggroing tanks with a druid duo running in here, they just don't get killed, or seen. The only reason broken even gets killed is cause he's in the attic above one of the areas where a specific book drops for mq. that's all.
 
carnitas6 said:
i agree with this. there are a few usefully no drop items but most are craptastic and take up inventory space if you have them. Imo make them all sellable. Some would sell for a crap load some nothing (selling to players).

example: Wing from Icy Watcher, Wand from Icy Watcher, Wand from Blackice Golem (there are more but i am having a brain fart atm)

wing would sell ok, its just lev. Wand of Ice or whatever would be a nice seller cause its a free nuke, blackice wand is just.. wtf (can't remember if its a range item as well, but at least it has stats if it is.
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I love you mallas, and i know you've spent alot of time in sorcs at icy watcher.

But i have to say, none of the items you listed really fall into the category of craptastic, sell because they rot otherwise. Maybe the frozen wing because of it's rarity, but almost anyone loots it just for the 1.0 sec buff clicike, makes doing dispell mobs really easy.

I personally don't want to see blackice rod, or wand of ice go droppable. wand of ice would be a cheap lame way to get 30 dps. and would be almost a crutch item for everyone cause it goes in ammo slot. and clcikie blind on blackice rod is awesome for aggro man. It makes any of those classes able to hold aggro well, when they normally could not. I see the blackice rod as a very reduced, mini thazraen eye, and i do not think that should be purchasable. that quality of utility item needs to be camped.
 
Just a tip for the future (and potentially for this post as well). If you want your feedback to be taken seriously, don't include comments like "wtf, seriously?" and "ok, who the hell designed these?"

It's an insult to someone who busts their ass and spends their time for nothing in return. It's not like they're creating the items to spite you.
 
Noted and corrected xeldan. I was cranking on about 4 hours of sleep so some of my better judgment got thrown out. I wasn't trying to offend, just draw attention in a humorous way. It was obvious when i came back from class that i had done it in an inappropriate way.

Sorry devs.
 
Some of the items in Elds and Lab are getting a pricing hit, that should help some of the issues you're seeing here. I'll comment on the others later.
 
This is a good request! Even years ago some of those items were lackluster, others not as much as they are now. I remember Chain linked skirt being an OK drop for a priest. Not good, Not great, but OK.

Also, Allielyn, I dont think you understand that he is not talking about vendor prices. But the item stats themselves. Most of the items listed are extremely lackluster for the difficulty/level of the mobs that drop them. Shiny Metal Bracelet is a good example. This was a great item when MAX HP was the best stat for tanks. Now AC is generally better and the bracelet is not as good.
 
Allielyn said:
Some of the items in Elds and Lab are getting a pricing hit, that should help some of the issues you're seeing here. I'll comment on the others later.
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tbh i think the items that need get price hits are the ones from lb's or greens in various zones (mielechb greenies and light blue named sometimes drop 265pp vendored items (swashbuckler shield), and the LB sorc lab named (controller, war mystic, warmonger). The pit and castle vendor prices seem right to me.

Frozen Gemathian items need to be looked at for vendor prices (prob have been). Decently annoying named but the loot is really good but all of it vendors for less than mielechb loot from swashbuckler :p


Yea Arlain i don't want them to be sellable really, i was just making a comment.
 
carnitas6 said:
example: Wing from Icy Watcher, Wand from Icy Watcher, Wand from Blackice Golem (there are more but i am having a brain fart atm)

wing would sell ok, its just lev. Wand of Ice or whatever would be a nice seller cause its a free nuke, blackice wand is just.. wtf (can't remember if its a range item as well, but at least it has stats if it is.
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I think both the wing and wand would sell pretty well and should stay no-drop. They are both great items.

The wing is a clickie lev with a low cast time and is all/all. I can't count the number of times I've cursed while using guild toons that don't have the wing and can't cast levi.

The wand is a great option as a tagging/pulling item in the ammo slot for monks, warriors, etc until they get better. Its also useful to un-root yourself.
 
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