Relic: Til's Elemental Ward
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Zhak Morris
Dalayan Beginner
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It's not an OMG!!!!one!!eleven!!! relic, but not many are. We already have a line of self-only FR/CR buffs. This is just an extension of the line with +mana added to it to sweeten the pot. Nothing wrong with the spell. Would I have preferred it to have FT10 and -15% aggression? Sure. But let's be reasonable :lol:
PS. The last of the phantasmal guard line (at 58) has AC and gives 5 hp regen but doesn't stack with EotW due to the regen (EotW has 8).
PS. The last of the phantasmal guard line (at 58) has AC and gives 5 hp regen but doesn't stack with EotW due to the regen (EotW has 8).
I just did a relic turn in and got the same spell, so I'd like to throw in my 2 cp.
I'd like to start off by saying that I don't think the spell is terrible, and it is nice to have a high end spell to top off our elemental cloak line. With that said, I was disappointed to see this in the "relic" category.
If you are turning in a relic spell, it means that you're most likely in a raiding guild and already have some very decent gear and a good sized mana pool. I'd think that the average caster in this category would have a pool somwhere in the high 3,000's to low 4,000's. So this spell adds about 6% to their existing mana pool and adds about the same amount of resists as SoS, however it is self only. The resists are nice and the mana is great, but it still won't even buy me one more nuke in a raiding or grouping situation.
Perhaps my perception of a "relic" spell is off, but I've invisioned them not only as the epitome of a line of spells, but also as something somewhet unique and very helpful to that class. The other relics in the mage line fit this description well:
Relic: Bladewind - great new nuke, noticable dps increase, mages rejoice
Relic: Storm of Elements - great target based AE, more rejoicing
Relic: Cupola of Incineration - highly useful in raiding/grouping situations - everybody loves the mage
Relic: Manifest Elements - Mages cry tears of joy and throw a party
and...
Relic: Til's Elemental Ward - Mages blink, go check a few spell databases, scratch their heads, cast the spell, cry
Yea, the crying comes from wishing it was the relic pet or nuke instead, but the point is I don't think this lines up with the rest of the spells in usefulness or impressiveness. If you've gotta be a raiding mage to get this, make it something really useful to a raiding mage. The resists are cool and the mana is cool, but make it available to all mages. I'm sure this is even more exciting to the non-raiding mages as they will have less opportunity to max their resists and have a smaller mana pool.
I'd imagine if you poll all of the raiding mages, they won't be jumping up and down over this spell as it adds very little to their effectiveness on a raid, which is where they spend the majority of their time. It's a nice spell, I just think that it shouldn't be added to the highest tier of spells which raiding mages strive for (ok, so the one archaic spell we get is a little higher...).
I'd like to start off by saying that I don't think the spell is terrible, and it is nice to have a high end spell to top off our elemental cloak line. With that said, I was disappointed to see this in the "relic" category.
If you are turning in a relic spell, it means that you're most likely in a raiding guild and already have some very decent gear and a good sized mana pool. I'd think that the average caster in this category would have a pool somwhere in the high 3,000's to low 4,000's. So this spell adds about 6% to their existing mana pool and adds about the same amount of resists as SoS, however it is self only. The resists are nice and the mana is great, but it still won't even buy me one more nuke in a raiding or grouping situation.
Perhaps my perception of a "relic" spell is off, but I've invisioned them not only as the epitome of a line of spells, but also as something somewhet unique and very helpful to that class. The other relics in the mage line fit this description well:
Relic: Bladewind - great new nuke, noticable dps increase, mages rejoice
Relic: Storm of Elements - great target based AE, more rejoicing
Relic: Cupola of Incineration - highly useful in raiding/grouping situations - everybody loves the mage
Relic: Manifest Elements - Mages cry tears of joy and throw a party
and...
Relic: Til's Elemental Ward - Mages blink, go check a few spell databases, scratch their heads, cast the spell, cry
Yea, the crying comes from wishing it was the relic pet or nuke instead, but the point is I don't think this lines up with the rest of the spells in usefulness or impressiveness. If you've gotta be a raiding mage to get this, make it something really useful to a raiding mage. The resists are cool and the mana is cool, but make it available to all mages. I'm sure this is even more exciting to the non-raiding mages as they will have less opportunity to max their resists and have a smaller mana pool.
I'd imagine if you poll all of the raiding mages, they won't be jumping up and down over this spell as it adds very little to their effectiveness on a raid, which is where they spend the majority of their time. It's a nice spell, I just think that it shouldn't be added to the highest tier of spells which raiding mages strive for (ok, so the one archaic spell we get is a little higher...).
guyvertoo said:
I said quite a few times that the spell wasn't bad and the mana was nice, so I don't get where you read the complaint. The 6% and the fact that it's less than 1 nuke costs are just that - facts I was pointing out. I was making the point that the spell isn't up to par with the rest of the relic spells which are only available to raiding mages and would be far more useful to non-raiding mages.
rab said:
It's incredible how people will read a post with the sole purpose of finding something to take a jab at.
I've said OVER AND OVER that the spell isn't bad, however it simply isn't up to par with the other relics and, as in my humble opinion, shouldn't be in the relic line considering the work it takes to get relics and how many casters need them.
An example: Would you be upset if you killed Zirvane and got Mhor'Valkur Dagnite Mittens? You shouldn't be if they were an upgrade to you. After all, they're not bad gloves. However even if they were an upgrade, I'm betting that you would still be a little bit disappointed that they weren't up to par with the rest of the loot that dropped.
So just like those mittens don't belong in Zirvane's loot table, I don't think that this spell belongs in the "relic" class of spells. There are many items out there that have been nerfed because of how easy they are to get vs. how good they are. I don't see why the concept can't be applied the other way around. The spell doesn't need to be buffed up either. I'd be just as happy getting refunded my relic scroll for another turn in and have Til's Elemental Ward turned into a normal 65 spell drop.
volvov2
Dalayan Adventurer
rab said:
I swear by Doomswarm ok? the nuke is the 'meh relic'
Also, Arcane Familiar isn't the worst relic by any means, makes soloing easier etc, some relics are built for soloing and not raiding, this mage one is lame for both soloing and raid game, which is the big complaint I believe.
tinkaa
*fake Tinkerbell*
I agree. The mage relic nuke itself costs 350 mana to cast (with some mana conservation items and max focus/mind specialization and focus/mind AAs - does the mana cost even go below 250 then?).
In best case the mana on this relic adds 5k damage max - with damage increment, cunning, the right AAs and a happy crit!
And about shaman dot - it is a nice amount of damage for 500 mana. I don't see it as any worse than shaman relic buffs or woundbane.
In best case the mana on this relic adds 5k damage max - with damage increment, cunning, the right AAs and a happy crit!
And about shaman dot - it is a nice amount of damage for 500 mana. I don't see it as any worse than shaman relic buffs or woundbane.
So is it me or all the mages complaining and 'everybody else' who isn't a mage telling them to stop? Well, as a mage I'll definately say this spells is 'meh' at best and should jsut be one of our regular 65 spells (in it's current state). Add a HP regen (continuation of the phantasmal guard line) and it would be deservant of the relic status and cool for solo-ing.