Relic nightfire
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The big deal for me about nightfire is the longer cast time, 6 seconds as compared to 3.3 for wrath of skies. I don’t see a sustained use for this spell in the game areas I have seen so far.
Another suggestion is to remove that relic completely. That would remove one more drop you need until you get a spell that will be (more) beneficial to your raid / group or solo experience on sod.
I think they should be. It takes quite a few people to get them and they are rare drops
That should be fixed also.
The harder and more rare the drop is, it should have an upgrade over the spell or item it replaces. Or why would we want to raid prison or the other zones we have yet to clear if not for the promise of upgrading ourselves? We would stay in DHK
Here is what iI would like to see done:
Nightfire should be tweaked to a faster cast time and lower mana to make it usable or it should be replaced for a healing spell like a HOT.
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Another suggestion is to remove that relic completely. That would remove one more drop you need until you get a spell that will be (more) beneficial to your raid / group or solo experience on sod.
diolas said:
I think they should be. It takes quite a few people to get them and they are rare drops
diolas said:
That should be fixed also.
The harder and more rare the drop is, it should have an upgrade over the spell or item it replaces. Or why would we want to raid prison or the other zones we have yet to clear if not for the promise of upgrading ourselves? We would stay in DHK
Here is what iI would like to see done:
Nightfire should be tweaked to a faster cast time and lower mana to make it usable or it should be replaced for a healing spell like a HOT.
peace
Jun
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- Removing the spell would be a terrible idea.
- Making the nuke better is a terrible idea (compare it to Wiz/Mag relic nukes).
- Wiz Ancient is more mana efficient but has much longer recast. (Thought I'd point that out)
- Changing it to a Relic HoT is a bad idea. Druids are already very balanced, powerful healers.
Honestly, the only thing this discussion has shown is that, like TM said, Wrath of the Skies may be a bit too good. Perhaps it's casting time should be tweaked, or its mana cost. Making the Druid Relic nuke any better doesn't make any sense, it is balanced fine with Wiz/Mag relic nukes. Not to mention, again and again and again, the relic nuke is Cold damage and has a -25 resist check. Hi!
As for Relics always being upgrades... if you consider the fact that Relics are mainly raid drops and therefore, like all raid drops, balanced with the raid game in mind, you can't even factor Wrath of the Skies into the argument. The majority of raids take place indoors, which has already been stated. Really I'm not trying to knock you, but like you said, you are relatively inexperienced, and the disregard for balance in your suggestions shows it.
- Making the nuke better is a terrible idea (compare it to Wiz/Mag relic nukes).
- Wiz Ancient is more mana efficient but has much longer recast. (Thought I'd point that out)
- Changing it to a Relic HoT is a bad idea. Druids are already very balanced, powerful healers.
Honestly, the only thing this discussion has shown is that, like TM said, Wrath of the Skies may be a bit too good. Perhaps it's casting time should be tweaked, or its mana cost. Making the Druid Relic nuke any better doesn't make any sense, it is balanced fine with Wiz/Mag relic nukes. Not to mention, again and again and again, the relic nuke is Cold damage and has a -25 resist check. Hi!
As for Relics always being upgrades... if you consider the fact that Relics are mainly raid drops and therefore, like all raid drops, balanced with the raid game in mind, you can't even factor Wrath of the Skies into the argument. The majority of raids take place indoors, which has already been stated. Really I'm not trying to knock you, but like you said, you are relatively inexperienced, and the disregard for balance in your suggestions shows it.
Jun said:
( In out guild anyways ) Druids main task in the raid is to heal, not do damage. So I am looking at the usability from that point of view. I heal in raids on my Druid and I would use a faster nuke when I solo. So, as you said if relics are with the raid game in mind... at some point do Druids become damage dealers as well as healers in the raids as to make a difference? so the -25 resist becomes a real concerning factor?
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I find Nightfire good and always keep it memmed, despite the casting time (4.8 sec for me, which isn't bad) it's quite good to finish off some mobs.
I think druids have enough utility (heals, buffs, ports, good nukes with 3 types of damage, long but weak dots, disempowering line of spells, DS...) already, they shouldn't have nukes as good as mages/wizards.
They already have 2 fairly fast casting nukes (comparing even to mages that don't really have a mentionable one past scars of sigil that is something around 700dmg with dmg inc 7). Even wizards have "slow nukes".
With quick damage AA this nuke rocks.
Lowering mana cost and casting time would make it way too good and imbalance druid DPS. Compare it to other relic nukes that other classes get.
Perhaps it's not your favourite relic ever, but not all are equal in "quality".
PS: Totally agree with Jun here.
I think druids have enough utility (heals, buffs, ports, good nukes with 3 types of damage, long but weak dots, disempowering line of spells, DS...) already, they shouldn't have nukes as good as mages/wizards.
They already have 2 fairly fast casting nukes (comparing even to mages that don't really have a mentionable one past scars of sigil that is something around 700dmg with dmg inc 7). Even wizards have "slow nukes".
With quick damage AA this nuke rocks.
Solo said:
Lowering mana cost and casting time would make it way too good and imbalance druid DPS. Compare it to other relic nukes that other classes get.
Perhaps it's not your favourite relic ever, but not all are equal in "quality".
PS: Totally agree with Jun here.
Solo said:( In out guild anyways ) Druids main task in the raid is to heal, not do damage. So I am looking at the usability from that point of view. I heal in raids on my Druid and I would use a faster nuke when I solo. So, as you said if relics are with the raid game in mind... at some point do Druids become damage dealers as well as healers in the raids as to make a difference? so the -25 resist becomes a real concerning factor?
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When clearing trash I expect our druids to be nuking once the mob is slowed. This doesn't apply to EVERY raid zone, but most of them. And since most raid zones are indoors, they will be using Nightfire. This versatility is key as already mentioned, because on actual raid mobs they most likely will not be nuking at all.
ya my biggest point about the nuke was , the cast time kinda sucks , if it were like 4-4.5 or something id use it all the time . i was just in a ec group and we were healer heavy so i went to dps and by the time i wait for the tank to get argo i could get like one nuke in before the rest of the group took it down
Jun
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I don't understand why the Relic nuke would be made better, instead of Flamestrike being changed.
Relic: Nightfire- 370mana 1500cr -25adjust 3.5sec 4.05dmg/mana
Relic: Bladewind- 350mana 1520mr -25adjust 5.75sec 4.34dmg/mana
Relic: Tarhyl's Embrace- 510mana 2250fr -10adjust 6sec 4.41dmg/mana
Nightfire is now much quicker than both the Wizard and Magician Relic nukes, has a better resist adjust than the Wizard nuke, is a most desirable resist type than the Magi nuke, and nearly as efficient as either. To me it seems that Nightfire is now undoubtably better than Bladewind, and arguably better, or at the very least too close to, Tarhyl's Embrace.
I'm not trying to shit on Druids, it just seems a little odd that they are getting this upgrade over Magicians. With the recent notion that Magicians are weak DPS in the raid game, that is.
Relic: Nightfire- 370mana 1500cr -25adjust 3.5sec 4.05dmg/mana
Relic: Bladewind- 350mana 1520mr -25adjust 5.75sec 4.34dmg/mana
Relic: Tarhyl's Embrace- 510mana 2250fr -10adjust 6sec 4.41dmg/mana
Nightfire is now much quicker than both the Wizard and Magician Relic nukes, has a better resist adjust than the Wizard nuke, is a most desirable resist type than the Magi nuke, and nearly as efficient as either. To me it seems that Nightfire is now undoubtably better than Bladewind, and arguably better, or at the very least too close to, Tarhyl's Embrace.
I'm not trying to shit on Druids, it just seems a little odd that they are getting this upgrade over Magicians. With the recent notion that Magicians are weak DPS in the raid game, that is.
actually junius i like this tweak because it falls more in line with druids actually being able to nuke and heal if its 3.5 cast time and a longer recast time i might actually take that nuke over flame strike or magic nuke if out doors as it is now ive had the nuke for about a week cast it 1 time to see it then dememed it and haven't loaded it sense
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