Relic nightfire

[kurdt]

i just got the relic nuke for druids last night and i was a liltle disapointed with the stats

these are the 61+ druid nukes


flamestrike costs 365mana , the cast time is 3.0 seconds , 1378 dmg with no dmg inc and 1584 with dmg inc 5 (can be casted outside

wrath of the skies costs 395 mana , cast time is 3.3 seconds , 1678 dmg with no inc and 1953 with (cant be cast indoors)

relic:nightfire costs 370 mana cast time is 6 seconds and does 1687 with out dmg in and 1940 dmg with dmg inc 5(can be cast indoors)

from my understanding relics are ment to be spells that youd use mostly over other spells , but this nuke is twice the cast time of both of these and less dmg then wrath of the skies . someone made the argument that its better than flamestrike and wrath of the skies because it can be cast in doors , but tbh the only time a druid nukes usually if when their farming whichc is mostly outdoors , and when indoors as a druid in a group/raid your usually healing , ive never seen someone say catacombs group lf1m dps wiz necro mage or druid .

over all what im trying to say is that if its only "better" than a 64 spell because you can nuke indoors and its 25 mana less is that really worth making it a relic , because imo these spell should at least be beffed up so it would be used over wrath of the skies (64 nuke) instead of rotting in a spell book

imo the cast time is a liltle high and the dmg is a liltle low if it were somthing thing more like say 4-4.5 second cast for 2200-2400 dmg i think it would be alot more practacial .

(if this wasnt the right place to post this plz move)

thanks for listening

 

[Jun]

I'd expect the answer is that Relics are raid-type spells, geared more towards those kinds of situations. Only a few raid zones are outdoors (Air/Torment/Valor).

Also the casting time and damage you suggested is insane. The wizard Archaic nuke is 5.75cast for 2575 damage.

 

[Thinkmeats]

if anything, it isnt that the relic is bad, its that wrath of the skies is really good

 

[Caelin]

Relic: Nightfire: 2205 damage, 4.6 second cast, 370 mana, cold, -25 resist adjust

Wrath of the Skies: 2055 damage, 2.8 second cast, 395 mana, magic, 0 resist adjust, outdoor only

Flamestrike: 1667 damage, 2.6 second cast, 365 mana, fire, 0 resist adjust, ~4 second reuse

This is with Damage Increment 7, Casting Speed Increment 7, Raging Ice, and Quick Damage AA.

Nightfire is generally much easier to land, and a large number of zones are indoor. Cold nuke focus is by far the easiest nuke focus for a druid to get. Nightfire is fine the way it is.

 

[tinkaa]

if anything, it isnt that the relic is bad, its that wrath of the skies is really good

Agree.
From my experience relic usually isn't resisted as much because it's a cold nuke with -25 resist adjustment (at least in the zones where I can nuke with my druid).
I see it as an upgrade from level 60 ice nuke moonfire.
Flamestrike has 6.5 sec recast time.
It's perfectly fine the way it is, compared to mage and wizard nukes.
Quick nuke AAs druids share with wizards lower the casting time, too. Having quick damage 3 reduces casting time by 10%, not counting casting speed increment into this. But with casting speed inc 5 and all Quick damage AAs the casting time is 4.8 sec, which is very good for a nuke like this.

Comparing dmg/mana ratio for 3 relic nukes (based on base damage without specialization points and damage increment items and focuses):

druid: 4,054
cold
6 sec casting time, 5.4 with AAs, no CSI
2.5 sec recast time (I can insta re-click it on my druid when the spell bar refreshes, though)
-25 CR adjustment

mage: 4,343
magic
5.75 sec casting time (mages have no AAs to shorten their casting times) with no CSI
0 sec recast time
-25 MR adjustment

wizard: 4,412
fire
6 sec casting time, 5.4 with AAs, no CSI
0 sec recast time
-10 FR adjustment

 

[volvov2]

Cold nuke focus is by far the easiest nuke focus for a druid to get.

Correct me if I'm wrong, there are 2(?) cold focus items that I know of, and the one isn't on any druid usable gear that I know of, and the other one is only dropped in Thaz (that is druid usable).

I would hate to see what a hard focus to get is.

I only use Nightfire when I'm in a fire based zone, otherwise the druid relic dot is the way to DPS unless I need to kill something fast. It is easier to land, but its only a slight upgrade from the 2 other nukes mentioned, not a huge upgrade like the relic dot is.

 

[kurdt]

ya i just sugested those stats . i didnt know what the wiz spell was or anything , but with the cold save adjustment i can see maybe using it more , it seems like its alot better after knowing how it compares to other classes

 

[Jun]

Correct me if I'm wrong, there are 2(?) cold focus items that I know of, and the one isn't on any druid usable gear that I know of, and the other one is only dropped in Thaz (that is druid usable).

There are three that a druid can use, two in Thaz, but one in Storms Eye (Symbol of Shojar's Chosen). It isn't a huge adjust, but its easier to get than MotG Ruby. The chances of a Druid getting a MoTG Ruby over Wiz/Mag is pretty slim also (the same logic could be used with the SE neck, but the MoTG Ruby is much rarer), and I think thats the only druid usable Fire focus.

 

[kurdt]

ok and i just read over my post again and the stats i said the nuke should be i thought of those with my gear on (so casting 5 and dmg 5) forgot to mention that

 

[tinkaa]

There are the clicky rings from Easy or Very easy tmaps (I think). It's a short duration buff that boosts either fire or cold damage for 2%, but seriously easy to obtain.
I only use it when soloing, though, too much hassle to keep changing rings for the clicky.

 

[Caelin]

I would hate to see what a hard focus to get is.

It's the easist to get because the chances of a motg ruby or an upper thaz magic focus ring going to a druid over wizards, mages, necros is slim. Most int casters will have farg boots for cold before you get to lower thaz to see the ear drop.

 

[volvov2]

Right, but that doesn't mean said drop is accessible for a dragonhorn/pot/stormseye level guild, which is what I thought you were implying.

 

[Mythryn]

Right, but that doesn't mean said drop is accessible for a dragonhorn/pot/stormseye level guild, which is what I thought you were implying.

But there is a cold focus for a storms eye guild! :toot:

 

[vistachiri]

But there is a cold focus for a storms eye guild! :toot:

Wasn't that droppable thingy from the lizard guy usable too? Or was that just shm wiz?

 

[Mythryn]

Wasn't that droppable thingy from the lizard guy usable too? Or was that just shm wiz?

SHM WIZ only :[

 

[Jun]

Right, but that doesn't mean said drop is accessible for a dragonhorn/pot/stormseye level guild, which is what I thought you were implying.

Thx for ignoring me :dumb:

 

[volvov2]

But there is a cold focus for a storms eye guild! :toot:

Is it Druid usable? Anyways, I posted that I only knew of 2 items, so if i was wrong its because I didnt know.

edit: sorry jun, i dunno how i missed your post

 

[Jun]

There are three that a druid can use, two in Thaz, but one in Storms Eye (Symbol of Shojar's Chosen). It isn't a huge adjust, but its easier to get than MotG Ruby. The chances of a Druid getting a MoTG Ruby over Wiz/Mag is pretty slim also (the same logic could be used with the SE neck, but the MoTG Ruby is much rarer), and I think thats the only druid usable Fire focus.

Fomelo Shurley for it.

 

[Solo]

i just got the relic nuke for druids last night and i was a liltle disapointed with the stats

I agree with kurdt...
and I have read the rest of the reply’s here.... for a "relic" spell the stat upgrades are very slim...does not matter how you try and explain why its good enough. Its just not when you compare it to wrath of skies, it is lacking in true bambam!!! “Oh crap it’s a relic spell” power….
Now I have been playing eq for short time but I think when soloing “that” relic will sit in the spell book and not be used much. When on raids druids do not nuke,,,much . Relics I think should be used often….or why make it a relic and so hard to get. Give us a HOT like an upgraded Pally spell as a relic

 

[diolas]

Relics aren't necessarily pure upgrades. The wizard relic is less mana efficient than the ancient for example.