Relic Drop Rate.

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Sept 07 - 9 Relics (@ Tier 3 / 4)
Oct 07 - 11 Relics (@ Tier 3 / 4)
Nov 07 - 6 Relics (@ Tier 3 / 4) With 1 week of for Thanksgiving
Dec 07 - 10 Relics (@ Tier 4 / 5) With raids skipped for Christmas

Those are the 5 months prior to Gunder's posted above and before we started keeping our records in a database.

Do you have 10 Months worth of data to disprove my 10 months worth?
 
Well thats as easy as looking at each member of our guild and seeing the spells they have memorized.

None of our members has gotten one from an outside raid or pickup raid so the number of total spells obtained speaks for itself.

I don't have ten months of saved data to copy and paste. If you like I can even give the total number our guild has right now over that ten month period your talking about.

The saddest part is almost all of those relics came from tier 3 mobs and not the tier 4 and 5 we fight most every raid.

And Cinn I can agree with some of your post. They do make a big difference and thats why we prioritized them with the most important first.

It's the sheer lack of number of relics aquired that isn't quite adding up to a real acceptable number per kills and time invested.

I also don't understand why most of them come from tier 3 mobs something we can pretty much single group if not 8 man. Then of corse you take a full raid of 18 people in somewhere tier 4 or 5 mobs spawn. You kill the crap outa stuff and still get nothing worth writing home about.
 
Gregor said:
I also don't understand why most of them come from tier 3 mobs something we can pretty much single group if not 8 man. Then of corse you take a full raid of 18 people in somewhere tier 4 or 5 mobs spawn. You kill the crap outa stuff and still get nothing worth writing home about.
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BECAUSE IT IS RANDOM
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So we kill about the same level of mobs and spend the same time doing so but get a 0 - 2 average per month on relics?

That sounds really a little to random to me, but if you say so. Sounds like the RNG gets to take the blame for this once again. =(

I can guarantee if we were seeing anywhere close to those numbers there wouldn't be any reason to bring this up.
 
How many Tier 3 mobs do you down compared to tier 4 and 5? You say they're a lot easier, so presumably you kill a lot more of them in a night than you would 4 or 5. That could explain the difference.
 
We mostly only kill tier 4 and 5 mobs on raid days. The zones are listed way back in the beginning of the thread. The funny thing is during off days we snipe down lord z and gnok which for some odd reason has a better drop rate then everything else we raid.
 
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i just tore apart SK and had a relic drop. /shrug
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Yeah, from my experience Stormkeep gave up just as many relics (High Priest/Enforcer mainly) as Torment. In fact I think we had more Torment named kills than we ever had in Stormkeep and still had more relics drop in Stormkeep.

We simply had no luck with it when we basically lived there for 2-3 weeks.

I have to agree with everyone else though, relic rate is fine from what I've seen so far and they do tend to come in waves. We've been raiding about three months now and the first couple months we had 2-3 relics (we raid a lot, usually 5-6 nights per week). But of course we were starting out on tier 1 animal named and working our way up.

Over the past month or so we've been farming tiers 4-5 almost full-time and had about 16 relic scrolls drop (5-6 raids per week, maybe 4-5 named kill per raid...sometimes we get 2 kills, sometimes we get 7-8...it varies). The first couple weeks we had 2-3 drop, but since then we've had some better luck with it (past 4 raids we've had 7 relics drop).
 
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We mostly only kill tier 4 and 5 mobs on raid days. The zones are listed way back in the beginning of the thread. The funny thing is during off days we snipe down lord z and gnok which for some odd reason has a better drop rate then everything else we raid.
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Again RNG at it's best (worst?). The drop rate is definately set considerably lower for mobs like Gnok. You were just lucky with his drops and unlucky with your tier 4-5 mob's drops. :(
 
As an aside - Not all zones in a tier have the same relic drop rate. If you are not having luck in the mainstream progression zones perhaps you should give the side progression zones a try?


As a second aside - Relic drops are supposed to be a bottle neck at your tier. The drop rate really is not going to change. If it makes you feel better every guild above you has had to do exactly what you are doing.
 
Yeah really rofl!!

I'm pretty sure we hit all that places tier 4 and 5 spawn. I would really be interested to know where these other kinda secret areas are at that we are missing somehow. =)

I can understand the bottle neck idea. I would also understand it more if I hadn't seen Tempus display huge numbers for tier 3 / 4. Those are by far decent drops rates as far as I'm conserned. It's just to bad after months and months and months of tier 4 and recently tier 5 we are lucky to get 2 per month. Raiding the same ammount of time, and getting about the same ammount of kills in.

I simply don't understand why our guild hasn't seen these magic numbers yet. To by honest it really doesn't make sence. Even if people can say its the RNG or your just unlucky. I can chalk up being unlucky for a month maybe two, but certainly not every single month.

And how come others expecially the ones displaying drop numbers are not getting unlucky?

Really though sence nothing will change there isn't a point in this anymore. I do appreciate the responces and inputs even if they didn't really explain how some can rake them in on a regular basis on and below our tier level, but we and a few other guilds out there seem to get almost nothing for the efforts. If it does have to do with mysterious zones I haven't heard about I certainly wouldn't mind knowing where those magic zones are. I was under the impression we hit alot of these guys allready.

I certainly wouldn't mind being lucky for once if it is infact the RNG. All I have so far to go on is our months of killing. I know I certainly wouldn't complain if we even saw half as many drops as tempus displayed.
 
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Yeah really rofl!!

I'm pretty sure we hit all that places tier 4 and 5 spawn. I would really be interested to know where these other kinda secret areas are at that we are missing somehow. =)

I can understand the bottle neck idea. I would also understand it more if I hadn't seen Tempus display huge numbers for tier 3 / 4. Those are by far decent drops rates as far as I'm conserned. It's just to bad after months and months and months of tier 4 and recently tier 5 we are lucky to get 2 per month. Raiding the same ammount of time, and getting about the same ammount of kills in.

I simply don't understand why our guild hasn't seen these magic numbers yet. To by honest it really doesn't make sence. Even if people can say its the RNG or your just unlucky. I can chalk up being unlucky for a month maybe two, but certainly not every single month.

And how come others expecially the ones displaying drop numbers are not getting unlucky?

Really though sence nothing will change there isn't a point in this anymore. I do appreciate the responces and inputs even if they didn't really explain how some can rake them in on a regular basis on and below our tier level, but we and a few other guilds out there seem to get almost nothing for the efforts. If it does have to do with mysterious zones I haven't heard about I certainly wouldn't mind knowing where those magic zones are. I was under the impression we hit alot of these guys allready.

I certainly wouldn't mind being lucky for once if it is infact the RNG. All I have so far to go on is our months of killing. I know I certainly wouldn't complain if we even saw half as many drops as tempus displayed.
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People that completed Necro Archaic after I started hunting my last piece:

Chruxx
Arakias
Tyrone
Kazimir (got 3/4 of a secon)
Temellin (x2)
Dzillon
Nasta
Meso

I can't do anymore to show you how random the RNG is. Trust me, it could be way worse. I (and everyone from Exodus) knows what I am talking about (getting rot loots over and over and over and over and over [...] again).
 
I would doubt that sence we wont crack and fail countless times. Of corse your reply has 0 to do with the discussion at hand which in itself is nothing new hehe. =)

And yes based off of what I have experienced it is to random expecially if others are killing the same or a lower tier and average 8 per month. As for the RNG if anything else it would show a spike of 8 but then the horrible nothingness we see all the time. Random has absolutly nothing to do with having the ability to average 8 per month while others hardly see anything. That sounds like selective randomness to me really.
 
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You don't catch Tyrone sarcasm.

Random is random, it cannot be TOO random. Is simply random lol, there's no different degrees of randomness.
 
Other then the aparent averages of others month in and month out. An average has nothing to do with randomness. An average is getting roughly the same count of relics per month based off of the effort you put in. Randomness is randomness. If they are truely just random then you would say get 8 one month then maybe 0 or even 1 or 2 a month. Then maybe 4 the next. That to me is random. Expecially if your putting in the time and getting in roughly the same ammount of kills per month. So far like I keep saying is I haven't seen anything random even once. I have however seen a lot of time invested and an average of 0 - 2 per month. Thats not random thats an average..
 
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