PP Tomes.
- Thread starter Snake
- Start date
wolfwalkerEci
Banned Jerk
A way to exp with people for the company and work on some tome that I can turn in to the charm vendor for credit is win.
Farming spots are getting nerfed these days and grouping for PP sucks unless its 3 people all boxing and we grind for a few solid hours.
The average pick up group you walk away with a couple hundred pp on average.
Sometimes I get into the mood and farm for a couple days and then I get so sick of it I dont log in again for a week or three.
If this item went in ever, I would fully support the Dev team just setting a value and telling everyone to STFU about what it would be.
If this was open to discussion, as was previously stated, it would be a never ending debate on the appropriate xp-pp value.
Farming spots are getting nerfed these days and grouping for PP sucks unless its 3 people all boxing and we grind for a few solid hours.
The average pick up group you walk away with a couple hundred pp on average.
Sometimes I get into the mood and farm for a couple days and then I get so sick of it I dont log in again for a week or three.
If this item went in ever, I would fully support the Dev team just setting a value and telling everyone to STFU about what it would be.
If this was open to discussion, as was previously stated, it would be a never ending debate on the appropriate xp-pp value.
Gregor
Dalayan Beginner
I agree totally.
As a pretty much max tome and exp wiz I can while working make a crap ton of plats. Thats killing a few mobs going afk for 10 - 15 minutes and doing it all over again. I know for a fact when I have time to play besides raiding I would much rather group. It's just really sad that I can farm practically afk for an hour and make so much more money then power grouping for hours on end. The sad part is once I'm maxed on everything it'll be even more depressing sence I have no desire to make another toon to dump my 1/2 exp on. I would much rather put it towards a charm fund tome etc. At least that way I can group and feel like I'm making head way on my charms. Instead of feeling forced into farming so I can keep on track with my charm goals.
I don't think a charm pp tome needs to generate a crap load of PP once completed, but certainly it would be worth doing when you have no other use for exp.
As a pretty much max tome and exp wiz I can while working make a crap ton of plats. Thats killing a few mobs going afk for 10 - 15 minutes and doing it all over again. I know for a fact when I have time to play besides raiding I would much rather group. It's just really sad that I can farm practically afk for an hour and make so much more money then power grouping for hours on end. The sad part is once I'm maxed on everything it'll be even more depressing sence I have no desire to make another toon to dump my 1/2 exp on. I would much rather put it towards a charm fund tome etc. At least that way I can group and feel like I'm making head way on my charms. Instead of feeling forced into farming so I can keep on track with my charm goals.
I don't think a charm pp tome needs to generate a crap load of PP once completed, but certainly it would be worth doing when you have no other use for exp.
iaeolan
Dalayan Elder
This.
People seem to be apparently clamoring for some way to xp group for some benefit, but it seems none of them have completed all tomes yet and are literally twiddling their thumbs. Those that are max tomes seem rather luke warm about the idea.
The tomes should give so much pp they are worth doing, but they shouldnt give so much pp, that they are the only thing worth doing. But as they would supplement any farming your doing anyway, they could never completely replace farming, i guess.
For sure this would have influance in the economy, but it would give thosepeople out of need for exp, new goals, other than just mindlessly killing the same mobs for pp, or ruin the quest game (make it more competetive) by farming those 65 mobs that drops dropable gear.
But its not like people wouldnt need pp anymore, cause everyone (perhaps except Felyn) have some alt that needs that 1.2m charm. And pretty much everyone has a main that needs it.
(100aa = 100k pp) = (1aa = 1k), to much?
If the current tomes are 1000aa's to max, then doing the exp it takes to max these, would in pp tomes give 1000k pp in the 1aa to 1k pp ratio.
This would for sure make the 1.2m charm alot more available, but it would still take alot of work.
But dont think of tomes as the only source of pp, if you do 1000aa's and get 1000pp for charm, you would prolly get atleast 100k from the exp grouping too (prolly more like 200k+).
For sure this would have influance in the economy, but it would give thosepeople out of need for exp, new goals, other than just mindlessly killing the same mobs for pp, or ruin the quest game (make it more competetive) by farming those 65 mobs that drops dropable gear.
But its not like people wouldnt need pp anymore, cause everyone (perhaps except Felyn) have some alt that needs that 1.2m charm. And pretty much everyone has a main that needs it.
(100aa = 100k pp) = (1aa = 1k), to much?
If the current tomes are 1000aa's to max, then doing the exp it takes to max these, would in pp tomes give 1000k pp in the 1aa to 1k pp ratio.
This would for sure make the 1.2m charm alot more available, but it would still take alot of work.
But dont think of tomes as the only source of pp, if you do 1000aa's and get 1000pp for charm, you would prolly get atleast 100k from the exp grouping too (prolly more like 200k+).
Gregor
Dalayan Beginner
I see where your comming from and yes I will admitt that I would still farm. However it would really encourage me to group exp alot more considering you can't get exp as fast solo or duo.
I also feel that 1k per aa is too much. In a good or great exp group you can get that very fast. I would think along the lines or 250 - 500p max per aa. Which could only be completly cashed in for credit once the full tome is completed.
If you complete a full tome of 100 aa's then it would be worth 25,000 - 50,000pp. I would also expect to pay at least a few K per tome each time you buy one.
Also I might add that I would be completly against this unless it was a credit. No actual PP can enter the economy.
Last edited:
Thade
DINOSAUR THADE
100 aa = 100k pp is too much. Considering on average in a decent group in hhk or rust or ec I can get a bit over 1% tome an hour with a decent group. That's two aa's worth of xp give or take. I can farm like 1.5k an hour so 750 pp per aa's worth of time. Granted it needs to be a bit less probably but yes. 1k an aa is too much.
Manguadi
Dalayan Beginner
500pp per AA is insane.
The problem with this suggestion is that it's a stopgap applicable to now. When ikisith comes out, this problem should essentially disappear and any tomes created by this thread would be completely obsolete.
A solution that would affect now and later might be a tome that changes the amount of xp you get versus your bandmates. Maybe it costs a lot of platinum and gives 90% of the xp you earn to your band and only 10% to you. Maybe it gives all of it.
Or maybe a tome that saves xp and lets you spend it later. That way you could save up xp you're earning now for iksith tomes later. Or maybe this tome would be tradeable and creates a market for buying and selling xp.
The problem with this suggestion is that it's a stopgap applicable to now. When ikisith comes out, this problem should essentially disappear and any tomes created by this thread would be completely obsolete.
A solution that would affect now and later might be a tome that changes the amount of xp you get versus your bandmates. Maybe it costs a lot of platinum and gives 90% of the xp you earn to your band and only 10% to you. Maybe it gives all of it.
Or maybe a tome that saves xp and lets you spend it later. That way you could save up xp you're earning now for iksith tomes later. Or maybe this tome would be tradeable and creates a market for buying and selling xp.
iaeolan
Dalayan Elder
How is it really any different? Anyone who will use these tomes will be doing it for charms anyways, and the charm credit is taking away from the amount of plat that is coming out of the economy. There is still a couple grand of pp that the economy absorbs from this.
Gregor
Dalayan Beginner
Iaeolan because your not going to be making the tomes worth a trillion PP per aa. It's would be a supliment , a small, but decent ammount something to encourage grouping. It should be enough to encourage grouping, but not make it way more profitable then duo farming. It's just about balancing to find a good average on a per hour basis. Accounting for the shitty and godly exp groups.
Yes I see your point about the credit being almost the same as straight up PP. The thing is it's not the same thing if that credit can only be used on one toon. It can't be transfered at all. That alone makes it apples and oranges. It would also cost actual PP to purchase the tome. At the very least 2k if not more.
Also Mang how do you know that people might not want to focus on a PP tome instead of the new Ikisith ones? They might have a purpose and a reason to do so. They could switch back and forth. I know I would.
If it could be decently balanced it would mean I would activally seek exp groups alot more even after the expansion. I would be taking less named that drop upgrades for others. I wouldn't have to bother with the hastle of selling dropable gear much as I do now. I wouldn't feel forced into power farming zones to keep on track with my charm fund goals. Even if grouping was a little less then what I can get solo or duo I would still prefer to group with out any regrets. Less droppable / sellable gear would enter the economy.
It is very hard to make decent coin in exp groups as it is. This is why so many peeps turn to the grind of farming droppables. They have goals and they are in a sence forced into doing it.
Mang said - "Or maybe a tome that saves xp and lets you spend it later. That way you could save up xp you're earning now for iksith tomes later."
I would love to see this idea happen as well. It's a good idea Mang. I feel the pain of those who can't put that exp to use on thier main. Simply for the fact they want to be the very best they can be, and put in the work to make it a reality.
That could be a very worth while PP sink because I would pay upwards of 10k per tome to store my aa's. I might even pay more you never know. Would you pay that much to save your shit you otherwise waste or stuff on an alt? I'm pretty sure you would.
Yes I see your point about the credit being almost the same as straight up PP. The thing is it's not the same thing if that credit can only be used on one toon. It can't be transfered at all. That alone makes it apples and oranges. It would also cost actual PP to purchase the tome. At the very least 2k if not more.
Also Mang how do you know that people might not want to focus on a PP tome instead of the new Ikisith ones? They might have a purpose and a reason to do so. They could switch back and forth. I know I would.
If it could be decently balanced it would mean I would activally seek exp groups alot more even after the expansion. I would be taking less named that drop upgrades for others. I wouldn't have to bother with the hastle of selling dropable gear much as I do now. I wouldn't feel forced into power farming zones to keep on track with my charm fund goals. Even if grouping was a little less then what I can get solo or duo I would still prefer to group with out any regrets. Less droppable / sellable gear would enter the economy.
It is very hard to make decent coin in exp groups as it is. This is why so many peeps turn to the grind of farming droppables. They have goals and they are in a sence forced into doing it.
Mang said - "Or maybe a tome that saves xp and lets you spend it later. That way you could save up xp you're earning now for iksith tomes later."
I would love to see this idea happen as well. It's a good idea Mang. I feel the pain of those who can't put that exp to use on thier main. Simply for the fact they want to be the very best they can be, and put in the work to make it a reality.
That could be a very worth while PP sink because I would pay upwards of 10k per tome to store my aa's. I might even pay more you never know. Would you pay that much to save your shit you otherwise waste or stuff on an alt? I'm pretty sure you would.
Last edited:
stope21
Dalayan Elder
If your getting pp for xp, I would recommend a value at or less than 400pp per aa.
I dont think the "we have no use for xp" arguement is going to fly.. devs are working on ikisith which will have tomes and thus xp will have a use.
It's a good, creative idea, and if used properly could solve a lot of the imbalances in farming/xping/making pp. For these reasons I support it, not because we don't have a use for xp -- that's being addressed.
I dont think the "we have no use for xp" arguement is going to fly.. devs are working on ikisith which will have tomes and thus xp will have a use.
It's a good, creative idea, and if used properly could solve a lot of the imbalances in farming/xping/making pp. For these reasons I support it, not because we don't have a use for xp -- that's being addressed.
Last edited:
Kirin Folken
Dalayan Elder
300pp per AA seems fair.
Have it take 50 AAs worth of xp to complete the tome before turn in for the cash.
Could put the tome Vendor/turn in NPC in the Great Liberary, so that what you are gathering with your "Pp Tome" is knowledge/lore with which this NPC buys from the player.
1 Tome would equal 15k credit, could have completion of the tome reward the player with a Credit Token (stackable) that you can then turn into the charm vendor for your charm credit.
Have it take 50 AAs worth of xp to complete the tome before turn in for the cash.
Could put the tome Vendor/turn in NPC in the Great Liberary, so that what you are gathering with your "Pp Tome" is knowledge/lore with which this NPC buys from the player.
1 Tome would equal 15k credit, could have completion of the tome reward the player with a Credit Token (stackable) that you can then turn into the charm vendor for your charm credit.