Powerleveling

Wiz

Wiz

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This is a pre emptive warning issued to all the people that just will not give up babysitting their characters with level 65s: I'm really goddamn tired of you, and I will be putting in some extremely draconic measures soon unless you chill with trying to circumventing the system in an organized manner.
 
Wiz,

I assume you mean our 1 group, and we are stopping for now.

If you could reach me so we can quickly discuss what's wrong with it and how we are circumventing the system, that'd be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Lytec
 
I don't mean any group in particular, but every Steel group I've seen ever has a level 65 babysitter.

It's not against the rules, but I think systematic powerleveling derails the game. Unfortunately the only way to fix it is to limit the allowed interaction between high and low level players but C'est la vie I guess.
 
Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean.

Steel only has a handful of players under 60 now, and even less under 50.

The only groups that use a 65 to babysit would be the ones levelling up two-boxes, which would be:

Lytec - Kellie
Nothie - Tenaj
Plumpen - Mance
Ming - Dyffyaddy (can't spell his name)
Maddoc - Durosa

So if it is not against the rules, should we stop the 5 characters above doing the plevelling, or should we tone it down, or what is the preference for the server?

Secondly, why is it discouraged, if two-boxing is allowed and we are levelling up two-boxes to raid with?

Just trying to get more information :)
 
Look, I'm not just targeting Steel here, this is something that's becoming more and more common over the entire server, you guys are just the ones I've seen the most.

Powerleveling is discouraged because it trivializes the lower level game and makes a mockery of the group bonus that's supposed to encourage proper level groups into gaining good exp for doing challenges. The advancement rate and bonuses are balanced with our anti powerleveling code in mind, but apparently it's just so fun to find ways around it.

What you do is up to you. I've tried to avoid being too harsh with the anti-PL code, but I guess people couldn't give less of a flying fuck about the game balance just as long as they don't have to ever work a little for their gains.
 
No,

We enjoy playing on the server and we'll follow the rules.

If the rules change, or you want to make some restrictions on power levelling with some new rules, we'll gladly follow them.

We levelled pretty fast on our mains too, so I don't think the skill comment was fair, and we obviously like working for our achievements or else we would just recruit already geared up 65s on the server which we've refrained from doing.

I'll keep an eye on the forums for any changes you wish to make about plevelling and let the other guys know as well.
 
Yes, the skill comment was unfair to you, I retracted it. Apologies for that, it was really more directed at the people who play every alt attached to their level 65 beastlord anyway.

And as repeated, it's not against the rules, I'm just incredibly tired of squashing powerlevelling again and having it return every time in a new clever format that avoids the anti-PL code. If the anti-PL code doesn't get across the message that we'd rather not have systematic powerlevelling on the server then I don't know what does.

The end result is that because people continue to find all too clever ways to advance themselves (and others) much faster than the server is balanced for, fun, interaction and freedom of action on the server is going to take a hit. It's just one of those make your own bed things.

Change isn't going to come as a rule, it's going to come as more code. Maybe limitations on who is allowed to heal who, or severe ramp-ups of assistance penalties if the same person continues to heal you oog. We'll see - and then people are going to test against that until they find a loophole and can start the PLfest again. And I have to use more time and sacrifice more interaction to plug that. Ad infinum.
 
Is this anti-powerleveling jihad designed to improve grouping? There simply arent groups to be had sometimes. Using alts to advance at a group-like pace fills the gaps where there would otherwise be stagnation.
 
Hey wiz

My wife and I started a couple characters with our friends but cannot get on as much as them.

Is it frowned on if I use my druid to just keep near their levels so we dont fall to far behind them?
 
Haphesto said:
Is this anti-powerleveling jihad designed to improve grouping? There simply arent groups to be had sometimes. Using alts to advance at a group-like pace fills the gaps where there would otherwise be stagnation.
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That's why we have soloing, tradeskill exp, and DCing. Powerlevelling replaces normal play, it does not fill any gaps.
 
limitedthoughts said:
Hey wiz

My wife and I started a couple characters with our friends but cannot get on as much as them.

Is it frowned on if I use my druid to just keep near their levels so we dont fall to far behind them?
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That won't be a worry soon with the new adventuring bands (details will be on balance discussion later). :)
 
My play time is very sporadic due to my connection. I usually cant play for most of the day, and the part of the day that I am able to connect and play there are usually less than 100 people online. I do have two level 65's, but I also enjoy playing alts sometimes, and if there is nobody on for me to group with on my mains than I will mess around on one of my alts. With the lack of people online I can almost never find a group. I always ooc to find a group probably 5-10 times atleast without any luck. After this I log on my druid and head over to some unpopulated place to level up one of my alts, as to not ks others or effect other people if there are even any around my level range. I am not trying to make an excuse for powerleveling, or ask for your permission, because I can understand the headache that it causes especially when you have tried so hard to get rid of it. But sometimes if I only have 1 hour or so to play I would prefer to see somewhat of a meaningful advancement in my alt rather than barely being able to get rid of my xp debt from my last death, or getting 2 blues or something(even when I would pl myself for an hour I would usually only get 2-3 yellows...maybe a level if I find a good spot, but the xp has certainly slowed down as my levels have increased, as to be expected).

I hardly ever powerlevel since I would usually rather play my main(s), but I will stop. Im just saying that sometimes its so tedious for people that dont really have the time to play due to whatever circumstances that it seems like they arent advancing at all. Anyways, Ill do my part and stop completely, thanks for the warning.

Jinxat.
 
I feel that powerlvling an alt is an almost necessarry part of any game. Once you've been through it the right way once, you should be able to give yourself a hand up, or get you friends to, it's the same as twinking. I also feel that PLing you first char is moronic, you don't learn to play, nor do you experience anything the way it was meant to be experienced. The old EQ had lvl limits, give you a little stronger buffs than you should have, and derail trains.
 
Several times I have not been able to get a group because the people around my lvl are being power lvled and do not want the slow down in xp that tends to come from a group. If people didnt PL there would probably be more groups.

Also,
wiz said:
That's why we have soloing, tradeskill exp, and DCing. Powerlevelling replaces normal play, it does not fill any gaps.
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I agree with this for the most part, but soloing xp downright blows and is no comparison to group xp. Also, DCing is normally why powerlvling happens. If I were dcing (which I dont cause it interferes with my roleplaying) and I had one char quite a bit higher lvl than another, and couldnt find a group, I would power lvl the lower lvl char. This is merely because the differential in lvl is too great to have the two grouped together. In my opinion, dumping DCing would do more to get rid of power lvling than anything else, but I also don't think you should dump DCing, as it helps in loads of other ways (porting self, traning items, utility spells for travel/selling/vision/etc., filling the last spot in a group, etc.)

I have not had the chance yet to test the new tradeskill xp, although it looks like an awesome idea to supplement any lack of standard lvling, and even make a new way to lvl. Also, I have had great luck with lvling through doing the main quest and other quests for xp. Quest xp is probably the single best reason why i dont have my 65 shaman friend come and babysit me more often.

Anyways, hope some of this is useful.
 
BarryHalls said:
I feel that powerlvling an alt is an almost necessarry part of any game.
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Err...No. I don't personally mind seeing the odd player use their higher levels to give them a hand every now and then, but most of those that do are chronic PLers. To level your alt without a hand from your high-end character? Blasphemy.

Group your low level characters and spread your experience & knowledge to the newbies.
 
Anatole said:
Group your low level characters and spread your experience & knowledge to the newbies.
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I'd honestly sooner level it up by starting a second alt and DCing than group with random newbies. Most high enders are bad enough at the game, and it only gets worse the lower you go.

(Obviously, I don't speak for the staff here)
 
i do a lot of pling.. generally i sit for 10 mins trying to group on my monk or rogue... and nothing. so i just load up talamr and go solo some stuff as i lfg. generally i am saying lfg every 10-20 mins.. i prefer the grouping aspect as you can interact and newbs make me laugh. they do some funny stuff.. <3 newbs.
 
I've babysitted a couple times. Not going to anymore because Wiz doesn't want us to. Stop trying to 'settle' this and just fucking end it. NUFF SAID THERE SHOULD BE NO DISCUSSION.
 
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