Politeness and farming areas

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As long as there has been competitive gaming, there have been jerks who'll step on you. EQ had them, no matter how much you try to rose tint it, and they were there in the pre-cursor MUDs as well. Some would argue UO was built around them. Don't pretend this is a recent phenomena.
 
Camps are not recognized on SoD. Everyone knows this. There are lots of jerks on the server. Everyone also knows this. If you're camping something particular, keep track of the spawn timer or you're just asking for some jerk to snipe it out from under you. Live and learn.
 
"...The next thousand years is right around the corner. Eddie Barzoon... take a good look because he's the poster child for the next millennium. These people, it's no mystery where they come from. You sharpen the human appetite to the point where it can split atoms with its desire. You build egos the size of cathedrals. Fiber-optically connect the world to every eager impulse. Grease even the dullest dreams with these dollar-green gold-plated fantasies until every human becomes an aspiring emperor, becomes his own god. Where can you go from there?...... We got a runaway train, boy. We got a billion Eddie Barzoons all jogging into the future. Every one of them is getting ready to fistfuck God's ex-planet, lick their fingers clean, as they reach out toward their pristine, cybernetic keyboards to tote up their fucking billable hours..." John Milton

The Devil's Advocate





Glaucom
 
I miss the good old days of EQ, where courtsey and respect toward others were a standard behavior of players. Until the immature brats flocked the MMO industry, that is.

I guess you will just have to live with the current situation, Synmizer, it will only get worse.

To those who say politeness can be forgotten after 100+ hours of stressful farming for charm, that's like saying "hey i am being paid with minimal wage, so you just gotta put up with my jackass attitude" to a customer at a McDonalds. (I'm not saying all the reps from McDonalds are jackass, many are nice actually)

Did someone put a gun on your head to farm for a charm?

No but someone but a charm merchant in erudin with nice expensive charms.
 
Day 1. I spent about an hour clearing the golem pit repeatedly, until Kalvah popped. I'm just re-clearing that mob that sits right around over the front of the pit. Meanwhile I see two streaks of players. And its a certain Druid and his warrior box who charge up onto the open area by the castle doors, literally in front of where I'm clearing to and engage a mob near the pit. I'm still killing the golem at this point. I'm annoyed that my work is in vain, so I try to make the pull (perhaps I shouldn't have) with my cleric. I try pull out Kalvah, but perhaps I didn't get enough agro, maybe the other guy re-agroed, in the mess I couldn't tell. I ran back to the passage and Kalvah didn't follow. I head back onto the open area where the other guy is now fighting and Kalvah is now agro'ing him. He says

Him:'Mob engaged me, you didn't get enough agro. Or you trying to train me?'
Me:'Well you just ran in front of me, perhaps this is not a good place to stand?'

He kills Kalvah and loots the drop I've been a long time waiting on. I was really annoyed, but not as annoyed as when the guy totally /ignor'ed my tells. My guild said I should take it to a petition, but I'm sure thats the last thing I would like to do.

So you "pull" a mob and accidentally train the guy, which you basically admitted in the tells you posted and then bitch when he kills the mob? Did you expect him to stand around and get beat on until you could come back and get it or something?

Not to mention your response to his tell asking if you accidentally trained him I would take as a rude. If that happened to me and someone said that then i'd definitely kill it. Now if you had been like "shit sorry, i was trying to pull him so i could get a drop" or something i would let you take the mob It just seems more of an accident/misunderstanding/whatever than him (or you) being rude.

As for Day2-3, pretty much eveyrone else said it. Sometimes people are jerks and steal your named (Elds is also a bad zone for that) and other times farmers can be very nice and help you out.
 
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You being in a zone isn't claim to every mob in that zone. There's no possible reason why you should have more of a claim to an internet monster than anyone else who got there and aggroed it first and attempting to divide the readers of this thread into "the rich" and "the poor" to garner support for your position borders on trolling.
 
I miss the good old days of EQ, where courtsey and respect toward others were a standard behavior of players. Until the immature brats flocked the MMO industry, that is.

I guess you will just have to live with the current situation, Synmizer, it will only get worse.

To those who say politeness can be forgotten after 100+ hours of stressful farming for charm, that's like saying "hey i am being paid with minimal wage, so you just gotta put up with my jackass attitude" to a customer at a McDonalds. (I'm not saying all the reps from McDonalds are jackass, many are nice actually)

Did someone put a gun on your head to farm for a charm?

1.) That's a horrible analogy.

2.) A lot of the endgame actually requires charm progression.

3.) Yes, thankless work does warrant being an asshole.
 
No but someone but a charm merchant in erudin with nice expensive charms.

Good point.

Sorc's lab is by far the WORST place for a newly 65 or a weak group to attempt to farm nameds. It is HIGHLY camped by the so called "ubers" because the nameds are easy to access and quick to kill, with appropriately priced loot for their difficulty. When in Sorc's Lab, assume that if you do not aggro a named AS IT SPAWNS and you are not the only person / group in the zone, that it will not be yours by the time you get to it.
 
I think there is a perception here that when you enter a zone, nameds are magically up. This is not often the case. Normally, someone has been killing a placeholder to get that named to spawn. It takes a complete asshole to stroll into a zone and KNOWINGLY kill a named that someone else has worked to spawn. Some of the time this is a communication problem, but there are also lots of complete assholes.
 
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I think all these threads about nameds getting sniped are revealing a problem, and it is this:
Charms were put in to be a plat sink, but have become a vital part of the higher end game. This means that people will farm to get the money. Sure a lot of that farming is item farming, meaning it will be sold to other players whose platinum will be removed from the game. The problem has two different aspects. First, some of the charm farming is just straight farming plat, meaning there will be people spending hours on end bringing new platinum into the economy. Second, people who would normally be trying to kill mobs for loot are forced to buy it, meaning the only way for them to get it is to farm cash, which in turn brings more new platinum into the economy. It is pretty lose lose then.

I do not have a suggestion to fix it, I just think that it seems to have turned out that Charms are now less a plat sink and more a must have piece of gear.

My 2cp, I could be right I could be wrong. I am not judging just merely making an observation.
 
Oh, comon.

The only fault I see here is that he might have tried to aggro a mob that was already engaged by the other person, which would put him at fault, not them.

There are a limited number of zones, and a large amount of people who want to profit off them. This has been the case for some time now, and don't get me wrong, I was pissed off when this happend to me as an upcoming player, but it's not like your helpless. There is this wonderful thing nameds do which has been mentioned already, which is spawn on a timer, which if yo'ure the one who killed the named/ph, should KNOW. If you're off killing a mob on the way to it, you didn't plan your clear right, and overstretched your boundries, or maybe infact you were trying to do the same things other players are, which is make a profit, but overstretched your limits, leaving you behind for the scheduled spawn. You've got no one to blame but yourself.
 
My stance on any nameds i see in places when I zone in:

Get the fuck there, or get the fuck out.
 
I think there is a perception here that when you enter a zone, nameds are magically up. This is not often the case. Normally, someone has been killing a placeholder to get that named to spawn. It takes a complete asshole to stroll into a zone and KNOWINGLY kill a named that someone else has worked to spawn. Some of the time this is a communication problem, but there are also lots of complete assholes.

Yeh right!

Nothing justifies being an arse!

I think what a lot of us are trying to say and that you guys aren't getting is that clearing to a mob doesn't give you some moral right to that mob. If I go into an area that's being camped by another person (not group) and start competing for nameds that doesn't make me a jerk. The difference in gear or AA between said people doesn't make any difference.

Really the competitiveness can make some really boring camps tolerable.
 
Charms were put in to be a plat sink, but have become a vital part of the higher end game. This means that people will farm to get the money. Sure a lot of that farming is item farming, meaning it will be sold to other players whose platinum will be removed from the game. The problem has two different aspects. First, some of the charm farming is just straight farming plat, meaning there will be people spending hours on end bringing new platinum into the economy. Second, people who would normally be trying to kill mobs for loot are forced to buy it, meaning the only way for them to get it is to farm cash, which in turn brings more new platinum into the economy. It is pretty lose lose then.

I do not have a suggestion to fix it, I just think that it seems to have turned out that Charms are now less a plat sink and more a must have piece of gear.

Charms are still a platsink really and a BIG one at that to. And i really dont see how farming to aquire one (especially item farming) is considered as 'bringing new platinum into the economy'.

Think of it, the platinum used by the people buying all these items is already in the economy. What the farmer actually does here is removing it FROM the economy rather then adding it, the only difference is that he will keep hold of the plat for a while first untill he has enough to buy his charm... and at that point the plat leaves the economy for good!

Of course this is aside from the entire discussion on wether or not its ethical to 'snipe' nameds from an area where others also are. But in all seriousness, when i enter a zone and see a named that i could potentionally kill... i am gonna start working my way to it. If there is another guy in the zone, fine... gives me some competition. But i really cant tell if he has been around already for hours clearing ph's or if he also happened to just stumble in like myself.
 
Wow, I am really amazed by the replies in this thread and to be honest that's really sad, most of you are in your early twenties and have such a terrible mentality. You do realize you're behaving like a**holes over a computer game ? or are you really that blind ?

Of course everybody who plays this game want to have a better char with better gear but is this reason to behave like that ? Why don't yo do a camp check when you enter a zone ? why don't you go somewhere else if someone is already there ? show some respect for God's sake.

And in reply to BeittilBonker when he says " Politeness? Thats not gonna get u very far in the endgame tbh. " do you realize what you're saying there ??? Seriously I really feel sorry for you if you think that way, I really do.

Yes you re in a high end raiding guild and obviously this is something very important for you ( I can understand that ) but man do a reality check please, by saying and even worse thinking like that, it really shows that you are in newbie land in real life. ( no offense intended ) You have so much to learn, i can tell you that.

If you allow me to give you an advice , get yourselves a flying ticket, go to see the world for 6 months or a year and meet people all around the world , thrust me that will bring you much more satisfaction and a real sense of accomplishment
 
Charms are still a platsink really and a BIG one at that to. And i really dont see how farming to aquire one (especially item farming) is considered as 'bringing new platinum into the economy'.

Think of it, the platinum used by the people buying all these items is already in the economy. What the farmer actually does here is removing it FROM the economy rather then adding it, the only difference is that he will keep hold of the plat for a while first untill he has enough to buy his charm... and at that point the plat leaves the economy for good!

No. He's trying to pass the notion that offering expensive charms actually motivates players to farm over using the plat they earned conventionally, thusly not removing any of the current plat that is in circulation. Furthermore, said farming will result in desirable loot which will in turn motivate others to farm for that.

The fucked up part about that is he's correct. He's not correct to the degree he thinks he is, but still partially. Farming will always... always produce more money than you could possibly moderate. Why? Because the rate at which people acquire plat far outweighs the rate at which people are buying charms, paying off debt, buying vendor shit, etc.

Inflation is synonymous with profit -- one cannot exist without the other and you cannot prevent the effects or remove them completely. You can only reduce the extent and rate it will cripple the economy. Inflation is a product of profit, which is a constant caused by one basic human instinct: greed. And when someone tells you they are not greedy, they are fucking lying.


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Wow. Wall of rage.

Okay Ghandi, why don't you school us on how things are in the real world. You seem pretty fucking eager to educate people about the mechanics of "real life."

Spoilers: it will take you much longer to achieve your goals in any realm as a passive person. Allah is not going to magick his way down from the cow-clustered clouds to present you with some fucking medal of honor and a Get-Success-Free ticket for being "respectful." It's called competition, and it's a big fucking part of reality. If you want something, you have to take the initiative to obtain it. If you're too slow then it's your own damn fault. There's an old proverb that can be applied here which reads, "the early bird catches the worm." I would cite its equivalent in Hindi for you, but I don't know Hindi.

Prime example: you want a promotion at work. You spend many thankless months massaging your boss' balls and getting him coffee. After a long time of pampering him, you decide to give him a blow job for his birthday. As you walk into his office, you see some other little shithead wiping his lips and shaking your boss' hand; you know that handshake is an unspoken, mutual agreement to a promotion. In that moment, you realize that you should have been there earlier to service your boss.

Now who has the "real sense of accomplishment": you, or the winner who drained your boss first? Do you think the asshole with your job is going to give a fuck about disrespecting you or taking home the money you feel you've earned? No. Why don't you take responsibility for your own fail instead whining about it and harboring spite towards those who took advantage of an opportunity you helped create?
 
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Politeness? Thats not gonna get u very far in the endgame tbh.

Does this mean you have to be a jerk to be successful at 65+? I understand there are rival guilds and what not, but is that statement accurate? This game is a whole hell of a lot of fun because of the random pick up adept raids I have done with people dicking around and joking. If that is going to turn into a bitter crap fest at 65 I don't want to level up. :(
 
No you don't to answer that question, its just many find it the easyest root to follow to achive thier desired results.

If the game is only about the next 1% boost, people get frustrated really fast and they want to do anything they can to increase thier chance of that boost.

I would say most on the server do not play this way, its just those that do are much more noticeable then the rest.
 
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