Pallys and the lacking
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Obscenitor
Dalayan Elder
Would be a welcome change to a spell that I haven't used since I was in my 40s. I have always thought that it was silly that Paladin was the only tank class whose aggro was reliant on resists/RNG. This provides an extremely useful tagging spell and at least Something to aggro MR immune mobs with that isn't a clicky.
In addition this would help Paladin aggro early on in a fight since resists can be an issue when relic chant / malo / tash aren't all in yet.
jew_nose_it
Dalayan Master
Yeah Zae, good job!
I do read them I just don't post cuz I get 3 pages of flaming saying how bad I am, people hijacking it for other worthless irrelevant crap.
Ok now on to the spell changes i'm totally for the changes and will Def check it out.
And i'm also for a Revamp and will gladly help you and give you feedback, I just have a hard time making public post for the reasons above.
Ok Zeala... Just wondering why not add like +30 hate to single target blind instead.. It's small enough to not make a huge difference but would be enough to help I think . Also wouldn't have to change other items to make the change live. basically is there something i'm missing here or?
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Nebi
Dalayan Pious Diety
its a lure blind. to use when mobs are high MR.
Glamrin
Staff Emeritus
the dps isn't really an issue, but yeah paladins could use a small agro generation increase at the higher tiers. More importantly it would be good if it scales.
Give them a classtome that adds a small small % bit of agro on their stuns. Use their prebuff HP as a modifying factor. There, problem solved.
Give them a classtome that adds a small small % bit of agro on their stuns. Use their prebuff HP as a modifying factor. There, problem solved.
Otcho
Dalayan Pious Diety
Maybe you are still casting your level 9 blind?
Maybe you should not walk around with 5% aggression.
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Also I have the Agro tome done so it would have been 10% anyhow ..and 15 with my normal gear.
Umm yeah cuz my 2hnd blunt and Str 8 hp gear is my normal setup ...
Fomelo me now.
And again why are we making this personal... ITS NOT JUST ME ...
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I LOLed a bit.
But as a note:
What Bango has mentioned earlier is completely correct. Paladin aggro is COMPLETELY FINE until around Sanctum / Yclist / Spires area. I have even done taus with multiple FWF DPS (Kjiel for one) who said my aggro was completely fine. And also his point about healing, that is ALWAYS the point if I were to lose aggro, that it happeneds. So having Heals provide some aggro so that you can still maintain gaining some aggro while waiting for heals to cast / land / refresh would be awesome.
However, This new change to flame of light is interesting, but personally i think what uzzdaar said would be better, just add the hate onto single target blind OR Divine stun (and make it unresistable) and make the recast a little bit longer (if blind), because I don't know how the hell im going to fit flame of light into my already crowded spell bar.
Otcho
Dalayan Pious Diety
Why do you have difficulty wrapping your head around the idea that other paladins have tanked the things you have tanked. Bango, Lindstrom, and I even had to play draelyn a few times in spires. I am not saying paladins did not need something and getting something to make engages/terrible mobs far less rough is definitely great. However this thread was answered on the first page. I should also mention that unlike bango/draelyn, lindstrom was really bad at this game yet still managed to tank thing. Sorry to all lindstrom friends.
Also if you cannot manage to hold aggro without a 2hander equipped than your "normal" gear does not matter right?
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I have also tanked EVERY Sanctum mob (of the first 4) and multiple mobs in spires, Every mob in Abyss, and all 6 man events up to Rohk (and I have been the tank for all 4.3 attempts thus far) So saying paladins cannot tank on this teir is just wrong. I DO believe they need a SLIGHT single target aggro boost, because aggro the first 10-20% of a mob is usually dicey, but the DPS should know its a paladin tanking and throw a few extra FD's / Jolts / Concuss'.
... Your just proving my point for me. And yeah I agree on this 100% .. but like I said before .. if a pally is tanking your on any named your group / raid is not doing MAX DPS .. simply cuz it's a pally tanking it. and they have to jolt .. FD . Concuss Evade or what ever they can .. ( ALL OF COST DPS) More than any other tank.
So yeah here we go .. THE ONLY THING I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING IW HOW YOU CAN SAY IT'S FINE.. THAN TURN ABOUT IN THE SAME ******* POST AND SAY "I am not saying paladins did not need something and getting something to make engages/terrible mobs far less rough is definitely great."
AND THAT IS WHAT i'm asking for .. .. So yeah my issue how the fuck can you say your wrong and then say your right in teh same fucking post.
Reroll an SK
I mean there are pros and cons to everything, and while I don't think I limit the DPS VERY much, I have the ability to lay hands myself at 5% when the heal isn't gonna land, i have taraztu's to patch me till a heal lands, I have piety to save my group from death when the groupheal is late, or something unexpected happends. I can selfheal myself to patch heals when people need to groupheal. A LOT of times, i have seen SK's and warriors die, due to the inability to just get a quick patch heal in before they take a round, while a groupheal is happening or something like a DB goes off.
It seems like you want SK like aggro, because their is literally no way your going to get MAX DPS aggro on a paladin... just not realistic.
yeah maybe if I HAD the bracer. Also I never said it couldn't be done I just wanted it looked at .. and Zela asks why we don't post or respond .. well this is it right here cuz I get sick to fucking death of repeating the same thing over and over. And responding to the same few people.
Otcho
Dalayan Pious Diety
Maybe if you answered a question like this instead of regurgitating the same half formed posts over and over people would give you the time of day. I am really shocked that apros posted something semi intelligent in this thread having thought noone could possibly understand the cons of not being a paladin.
All this thread has done is left me with a deeper feeling that bango is the only one capable of pushing buttons that still plays his class. Maybe apros actually can who knows. Also flame of light not being completely useless and paladins not being excluded from killing the librarian in storms eye is a good thing too.
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