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Heh, ya know has ... I said I was just going to let it go, and I was really hoping you would be big enough to do the same, but you just gotta be right don't'cha. So here, I will explain it to you, very bluntly.

I use words such as "morals" and "ethics" in order to be kind, it keeps me from saying things outright like:

"Ya know, your guildmate that jumped right into the middle of that other persons auction, while bidding was going on, is a total fucking asshole. Sure, he probably won't go to hell, and sure it might be a minor slight in the grand scheme of things, but ya know what .. online games are run by reputation, and quite frankly, I didn't want to hang out with a bunch of assholes that felt that kinda shit was OK to do. Simple as that."

Is that crystal clear now Has? -- still some confusing bit that perhaps you aren't understanding? I mean you try to bring in your 5$ lawyer words to make you seem all wise and learned .. but it's a simple matter of just saying "hey ya know what, I can just wait fucking 2mins until that guy gets done selling his item and not totally jump right into the middle of his auction and steal away his bidders".

I mean, the really funny thing is .. It wasn't even my item! - To be honest, I can't even remember what the name of the person who was selling it was. I was just flabbergasted that the little prick did what he did.

In any case, I have had enough of the flamebait throughout the thread by you, you are entitled to your own opinion and to speak it freely, but quite frankly, I think your more than slightly biased to a certain predisposition towards me since I left your guild.

So say what you will, I'm just not giving some adolescent 20 something anymore of my time, trying to explain what so many others seem to get, yet he cannot simply because he chooses to be a wanker.

Sorry.

//endrant.
 
So wait.

You want it so that people can't make more money on auctions, even though they have the opportunity to do so?

And that last post sounds like a personal vendetta towards Hasrett to me.
 
How has this gone from people blatantly and repeatedly bidding up auctions and not paying being a petitionable offense to having a verbal agreement of normal selling terms being a completely binding agreement?


The things you want the GMs to crack down on are really absurd and time consuming.
 
Brimztone said:
So wait.

You want it so that people can't make more money on auctions, even though they have the opportunity to do so?

And that last post sounds like a personal vendetta towards Hasrett to me.
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pretty much, sounds like that was the entire point of this
 
The original topics of the post stand - I believe I reiterated them once before a page back or so:

- The first part of my original post dealt with someone using alt's to jack up the price on an item.
- The 2nd topic, was strictly dealing with how spammy listsold can get (and trying to find a better way to streamline the system)
- The 3rd topic, was a suggestion to add in spell descriptions to spells in game, to make spells a little more newbie friendly
- The final topic, was a suggestion to run a contest to help get the wiki updated
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At some point, Hasrett came in and brought up a situtation that directly relates to an in game event (page2 I believe), and from that post on, He became more "passive aggressive", I mean I know I'm not crazy, everything I have said, I have had people agree with me, be it in game or here on the forums.

In any case, I had posted I would simply agree to disagree (like I said the night I left his guild) and he didn't seem to want to let it go, so I simply spelt it out in a language I felt he would understand, since he seemed so hung up on a certain example (the one that directly correlated to an action a guild member of his did - that I disagreed with).

I honestly had no problem with Hasrett, and really if he would simply say "Ok, we will just agree to disagree, you have your opinion and I have mine, and neither of us are going to budge" I would forget about the whole matter. But he seems to feel a burning desire to keep coming back for more.

Anyways, I really didn't want this to turn into an "airing of the dirty laundry" so to speak in a public setting. So I will end this part right here.

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1. If someone is having an auction, or simply is just selling an item and they accept your offer and tell you it is sold to you, and then turns around sells it to someone else because they receive a tell before they actually send it to you, because they are offered more for it .. How is that not a wanker move that deserves some sort of punishment?

Sure some of you might agree and say "Hey, if I can get more money then why shouldn't I?", but what if it was the other way around and it was a particularly rare item you had been searching for, for a lengthy period of time, you finally have within your grasp, the price is decided upon and your just waiting at the bank for it to come .. and poof -- nothing, it's gone.

No way you can tell me you wouldn't be Pissed off. No one would let that slide, and understandably so.

2. As for the collected remaining posts, I will simply point you to the top of this post ... these were the real reasons this post was created, but in all the defensive badgering and moot points, the original topics were lost.

I mean, the original reason I came to write this post, was the witnessing of a person using his own alt's to jack up a price on an item in auction. It had nothing to do with Hasrett, it was something that happened to me, I felt the need to come here and say something about it, and the rest of the topics were sorta just added as I was typing.

Which is why someone on the first page mentioned that the original post should have been two posts, and I would have to tend to agree looking back.

But anyways, I hope that clears things up a little.
 
What can feasibly be done to stop alt price increasing, regardless of how wrong it may or may not be? Shall we compare IPs of all auctions and bidders? Shall we create an auction crack-down squad of GMs to police auctions?

What the hell can be realistically done on the side of the staff to do anything about this if it is determined to be some sort of griefing?
 
Magister said:
1. If someone is having an auction, or simply is just selling an item and they accept your offer and tell you it is sold to you, and then turns around sells it to someone else because they receive a tell before they actually send it to you, because they are offered more for it .. How is that not a wanker move that deserves some sort of punishment?

Sure some of you might agree and say "Hey, if I can get more money then why shouldn't I?", but what if it was the other way around and it was a particularly rare item you had been searching for, for a lengthy period of time, you finally have within your grasp, the price is decided upon and your just waiting at the bank for it to come .. and poof -- nothing, it's gone.

No way you can tell me you wouldn't be Pissed off. No one would let that slide, and understandably so.
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Happens, happened to me once. It sucks, you're pissed sure. But you deal, rather than implement rules that deal for you. Shit happens.
 
To me, when you say SOLD in tells or auction channel that is it. No more bidding.. no more bartering.

If I tell someone I will sell them X item at 500pp and they agree to the terms the deal is done. Even if right after I send the tell confirming the sale, I get a Tell saying they will pay me 2k for the item.
Doesn't matter, the item will be sold to the first bidder at 500pp, if that bidder backs out I will then contact the other bidder (it has happened).

I would never dream of asking the first bidder for a counter offer on a item I have already agree to sell to them. I would expect others I am buying from to follow the same guide lines.
 
Kirin Folken said:
To me, when you say SOLD in tells or auction channel that is it. No more bidding.. no more bartering.

If I tell someone I will sell them X item at 500pp and they agree to the terms the deal is done. Even if right after I send the tell confirming the sale, I get a Tell saying they will pay me 2k for the item.
Doesn't matter, the item will be sold to the first bidder at 500pp, if that bidder backs out I will then contact the other bidder (it has happened).

I would never dream of asking the first bidder for a counter offer on a item I have already agree to sell to them. I would expect others I am buying from to follow the same guide lines.
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Just to clarify. All of my examples were of set price auctions, not live auctions. Any live auction will yield late bids of only a few plat more and are not worth it. On the other hand, people offer substantially more for set price items if you tell them they are already sold.
And if it is so bad, why do so many people offer more money than the person it's currently sold to?
 
as soon as the question was asked
iaeolan said:
And if it is so bad, why do so many people offer more money than the person it's currently sold to?
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all hope was lost in trying to explain to someone who doesn't care about their own word why it matters... but i'll say this anyway.

you're really asking why it's so bad to do because another player has no respect for a deal already made? They don't care what your word means to anyone, they're only thinking of what they want to meet their own needs. But it obviously doenst' mean anything to you if you can get another plat by breaking it.
 
Magister said:
Heh, ya know has ... I said I was just going to let it go, and I was really hoping you would be big enough to do the same, but you just gotta be right don't'cha. So here, I will explain it to you, very bluntly.

I use words such as "morals" and "ethics" in order to be kind, it keeps me from saying things outright like:

"Ya know, your guildmate that jumped right into the middle of that other persons auction, while bidding was going on, is a total fucking asshole. Sure, he probably won't go to hell, and sure it might be a minor slight in the grand scheme of things, but ya know what .. online games are run by reputation, and quite frankly, I didn't want to hang out with a bunch of assholes that felt that kinda shit was OK to do. Simple as that."

Is that crystal clear now Has? -- still some confusing bit that perhaps you aren't understanding? I mean you try to bring in your 5$ lawyer words to make you seem all wise and learned .. but it's a simple matter of just saying "hey ya know what, I can just wait fucking 2mins until that guy gets done selling his item and not totally jump right into the middle of his auction and steal away his bidders".

I mean, the really funny thing is .. It wasn't even my item! - To be honest, I can't even remember what the name of the person who was selling it was. I was just flabbergasted that the little prick did what he did.

In any case, I have had enough of the flamebait throughout the thread by you, you are entitled to your own opinion and to speak it freely, but quite frankly, I think your more than slightly biased to a certain predisposition towards me since I left your guild.

So say what you will, I'm just not giving some adolescent 20 something anymore of my time, trying to explain what so many others seem to get, yet he cannot simply because he chooses to be a wanker.

Sorry.

//endrant.
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Hello there. I just was informed of this little post here and thought Id let a little light in on the issue..

First of all... Im am the individual whom you were reffering to in the quote you made above and I think your ranting in here has gone on long enough.

For the record what is my crime? Please allow me to enlighten the audiance.
1. You had an auction running and despite the price being relatively high people were really bidding. I made no notice to who was running the auction.. (ie: not done to harm anyone..)

2. So when im trying to sell items on listsold for a lowbie price without it selling and suddenly I see it up in /auc for more than double my asking price.. I think.. Hey ill sell mine flat out to the first tell.. one of the guys bidding will drop out, or it will go to someone who couldnt afford to continue to bid in the first place.. Besides with 6 people interested the last bidder would probbaly take his.. There is after all ony 2 of the items and 6 potential customers.. More if you counted all the tells I got for the item at my price..

3. Let it also be known I was already selling the said item on my listsold for the price I asked. So I could have just sent someone a tell that had bid previously before your highest and undercut your two competing bidders.. But I didnt even Auction it man... I sold it flat out to first tell set price BAM!! one time thing and your little auction coulda just kept going.. Why would one guy getting the item cheap like that cause everyone to withdraw their bids?... Hmmm maybe your price was a tad too high..

4. In the buisness world competition is what keeps people honest.. And I think thats a good thing. Cause if we had it your way I guess wed all shop at your auction and accept only your prices huh?

5. To end this Im going to say this.. When all this transpired I had a heated tell debate about weather or not id done something wrong... you said to the effect of "That was a really shitty thing to do undercutting someone on an auction like that.. yadda yadda..

I replied.. "Woah.. first of all Im Ayaheua's Alt (Braeden) and Im in your guild.." (Meaning I wouldnt knowingly sabbotage your auction.) To which you replied.. "I dont give a %^&# who you are.. blah blah profanity.. that was bad.. etc.."

So in complete dissbelief at the nerve of this guy.. I say in guild "Something about Vaprak (Magister) thinks im a bad guy.." The guild asks why and we begin our guildchat debate.. no one agrees with you and you take a hissy fit and quit the guild.. Dude im NEVER appologizing to you.. I did NOTHING WRONG!!!

So there you all have it. My side of the story.. I hope to die a thousand deaths if my sneaky underhanded plot to sell items at a reasonable price was the cause of economic armagedon.. Im sure most sensable people will decide who was the unreasonable one in this tale Vaprak.

But hey.. Good luck to you former guildmate..
Sincerely,
Ayaheua, Royoku, Braeden...
and so many damn alts I could be EVERYWHERE!!
or anyone... Muahahaha...
 
Lol..

For someone who seems to have such a good memory of the events Roy, you seem to have one big inaccuracy in your story:

It was not my auction. It was not my item. I recieved no financial contribution for telling you off, and yes I did leave the guild. You may call it a hissy fit, I call it common sense.

The fact that a bunch of greedy little kids all get together and say something is ok to do, doesn't mean it is ok to do. So rather than be lumped in with you all, I left. If that makes me a bad person so be it.

Oh just fyi, I like .. never do auctions. I throw stuff in listsold, I list the items on auction and let people know they are there. I have helped tons of people out, be it selling stuff cheap, helping people earn money, handing out crafting materials for free, and lots more.

Wow I sound like a really terrible guy that is burning lots of bridges :)


Now just a quick run down here:

- 1st, this thread had nothing to do with you at first. It was hasrett that managed to twist my words and examples to bring you into this. I never said anyones name at any time.

- 2nd, when you jumped into the middle of that guys auction, shouting out your price and all the bidding stopped on his item regardless of what price you got, or if it was a straight sale, or an auction .. the fact was, had you just waited 30seconds for the guy to finish .. none of this woulda happened and you wouldnt look like a jackass.

- 3rd, if the item was already in listsold, why not just advertise "/cm listsold Royoku - nice and cheap low/mid level items - blah blah blah" -- again, would have avoided this whole issue.

- 4th, this line is just ... nonsense, I have no idea where you are getting that from (It was not my auction - I do not Run auctions). Yes competition is good, it's what drives down prices, or as you say "keeps people honest". However, doing what you did, was just a underhanded bit of nonsense.

-5th, Our "Heated tell debate" lasted all of I belive 3 tells each ... maybe. If that.

"Me informing you that was a crappy thing to do, to undercut someones auction in the manner you did"
"You informing me you see nothing wrong"
"You informing me you are in my guild"
"Me informing you, I could care less, your still a jackass"

I think that was about it...then you went to the guild channel and tried to garner support for your cause, which I knew you would do (see I usually have my guild channel turned off, and as soon as I turned it on, the first msg is from you cryin about what had happened). So just drop the innocent victim act please.

Anyways, if you and hasrett are quite through with hijacking my thread with all this useless shit, then thanks for stopping by, and have a super day!

Cheers.
 
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