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The problem I have with Bane's argument in this situation is that leaving a zone clear for that amount of time gives people the idea that you are done with the zone and are logging. When doing a /who all Bane, Fusion sees that all of you are back in Athica or whatever dicking around with only 10 people on. They have no idea that Chaotic Winds is going to help you, because there is no communication between the two guilds.

However, the staff did the right thing by randoming for the zone. If you think you were wronged, and you bring it to the staff, the burden of proof is on you guys. If it happened the way it did, that's pretty shitty, but if you work something out then situations like this can be avoided in the future.
 
well ok random is one idea but imo a much better idea would be , we both random winner get choice of sultan and sed (i still think we should have gotten zone but seeing how we couldnt prove how long we were gone and we didnt get a ss showing we had our raid in before fusion i think that each of us getting a named would be alot more fair
 
You were gone from the zone for a prolonged period of time so the staff really can not do much to help your case in this instance. The right thing would have been for them to leave the zone so long as you explained the situation to them, but there's no rule against being greedy pricks so the staff couldn't just kick them out.
 
As a member of Fusion:

We saw Bane was in air earlier in the night, we figured that you wouldn't be able to kill the harder mobs in air. We let you wipe, and after you hadn't been in zone for a while (corpse timers said it has been 90 minutes), we started porting. I'm the wizard with the air port, and I can tell you 100% that after I ported us into air, nobody from bane or CW was there. (as a side note, the zone with our raid in it crashed once as we were porting and that lost us 5-10 minutes, maybe we could have avoided this all together with slightly better timing on our side.)

Fusion started clearing, and Bane/CW zoned in and started yelling about us taking their zone, so we petitioned. Bane has tried to run in front of us to start clearing into a zone and claim it while we buffed in front, so that might be where the "running in front of buffing groups" part of the story came from.

And for whoever said bane killed seductress, they didn't, Fusion killed Seductress and Sultan.

As I understand it, the first guild with 12 in zone and clearing has the claim to the zone, and it seemed pretty obvious who that was. The only problem I see with the rules here is that they do not say how long a guild must wait for another's corpses to rot and members to idle in town before we can move in to try and play in a zone.

Fusion has no animosity towards Bane, honestly, we just want to go and kill mobs. We didn't compete with you at all for the air spawn until your raid had wiped for hours and half your members logged, and then we clearly beat you back into the zone. I don't know where this issue is coming from.
 
Why couldn't it be handled the first way wiz explained? Go back and see who in fact had 12 in the zone first? This could not be done? So we just had to roll for the zone? It's got nothing to do with the clear or w/e. we were gone for an hr + thats fine they have the right to race for the zone. The thing is we had atleast 14-15 there before fusion had 7-8. Hell they didn't have 18 there for a while after we left. And they run in and start saying that they there first. So basically rather then find the truth we get snaked over a /ran roll and a bunch of lies.
 
ok first off yes we can kill sultan and sed seeing how we have before with less ppl

2 isnt the corpse timer 90 minutes so how did you guys check corpses that werent there?

3 if the zone crashed that means we crashed to and had our raid zoning in also

4 how did we pass you guys well you were clearing , we clear everything right to sultan

ok your turn any more lies in your bag?
 
robopirateninja said:
As a member of Fusion:

We saw Bane was in air earlier in the night, we figured that you wouldn't be able to kill the harder mobs in air. We let you wipe, and after you hadn't been in zone for a while (corpse timers said it has been 90 minutes), we started porting. I'm the wizard with the air port, and I can tell you 100% that after I ported us into air, nobody from bane or CW was there. (as a side note, the zone with our raid in it crashed once as we were porting and that lost us 5-10 minutes, maybe we could have avoided this all together with slightly better timing on our side.)

Fusion started clearing, and Bane/CW zoned in and started yelling about us taking their zone, so we petitioned. Bane has tried to run in front of us to start clearing into a zone and claim it while we buffed in front, so that might be where the "running in front of buffing groups" part of the story came from.

And for whoever said bane killed seductress, they didn't, Fusion killed Seductress and Sultan.

As I understand it, the first guild with 12 in zone and clearing has the claim to the zone, and it seemed pretty obvious who that was. The only problem I see with the rules here is that they do not say how long a guild must wait for another's corpses to rot and members to idle in town before we can move in to try and play in a zone.

Fusion has no animosity towards Bane, honestly, we just want to go and kill mobs. We didn't compete with you at all for the air spawn until your raid had wiped for hours and half your members logged, and then we clearly beat you back into the zone. I don't know where this issue is coming from.
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No you didn't i zoned in first I saw you guys zone in and run as fast has you could to some trash... with only like 7-8 i might add ...
 
kurdt said:
ok first off yes we can kill sultan and sed seeing how we have before with less ppl

2 isnt the corpse timer 90 minutes so how did you guys check corpses that werent there?

3 if the zone crashed that means we crashed to and had our raid zoning in also

4 how did we pass you guys well you were clearing , we clear everything right to sultan

ok your turn any more lies in your bag?
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1. you didnt kill sultan after hours in zone
2. its 3 hours
3. the zone was erudin palace
4. there were wind spirits and mephits up, maybe you didnt even finish the clear up to sultan? Some of the mobs are pretty tough

SOD discussion isn't the place for guild drama, I've said what needed be be said imo, and the gms/admins can check the truth of what I've said in the logs if they must, I stand by it.

edit: you can call me a liar all you want, but you're not going to goad me into posting more in this worthless thread, and the games HOLDS PROOF IN LOGS that I'm not a liar so you're only digging yourself a hole if someone actually goes and checks. Again, finally, we have NO ANIMOSITY towards bane whatsoever, but we are competing for content, and occasionally we're going to overlap. If you can't be mature, THEN we will have a problem, I don't see any reason for there to be one now.
 
1 we only got one chance at sultan

2 are you talking mob corpses or ours? because if its ours that means that you made it all the way to sultans room without any clearing (which also answers your 4th question)

3 and if you guys crashed and we still got there first why does it matter the server didnt want to help you guys snake poa?
 
robopirateninja said:
1. you didnt kill sultan after hours in zone
2. its 3 hours
3. the zone was erudin palace
4. there were wind spirits and mephits up, maybe you didnt even do this full clear you are talking about?

SOD discussion isn't the place for guild drama, I've said what needed be be said imo, and the gms/admins can check the truth of what I've said in the logs if they must, I stand by it.
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not all of the trash was up when we cleared earlier... were a few repops that you guys ran to with you 7-8-9 or w/e...
the mephit was from the 4 pull... only 3 were up when we cleared.. from what i thought... our raid of 18 got trained by you guys clearing trash as we were moving past your 7-8-9...
 
As a neutral part of this argument as I have friends in both guilds..

If you were out of the zone for more than 30 minutes after a wipe and some of your guild members had logged, it's safe for Fusion to assume you were done for the night. It's not like they have telepathy and can predict that you're asking CW for assistance and plan on heading back in.

They do a /who all bane and see none of you in air, and call a raid together with the appropriate amount of players, you can't really blame them.

Kinda just sounds like they got to raiding a little bit faster than ya'll were able to reorganize. =/

Yeah, it sucks you guys cleared all night but again, they didnt know you guys were coming back.

Edit: Also, Fusion killed the Seductress. If you're not even sure what raid targets you killed I kind of have to question the integrity of your arguments.
 
But assuming they both entered Air at the same time why should Fusion have as equal of a chance to control the zone with a /random as Bane? Bane did all the legwork and they wanted another go around.
 
CW's standpoint from raiding is typically this, when we are ready to raid, and we have certain zones we'd like to hit, we do a / all <zone> and see if anyone is there, then scout for targets and determine what makes the most sense. If we see a guild in a particular zone we avoid it for at least 24 hours or so, maybe more depending on what is killed. We do this as a courtesy as we know this game can be slow, people do swap in and out of raids, people have to log, etc. I'm not saying every guild needs to do this or should do this, but how often does anyone hear any issues raiding wise with CW because we try to be an honorable guild in this manner? The end result was made, zone was randomed for, Fusion won the role, mobs respawn, the game moves on.
 
I don't think I know any of the people involved here, and I don't know what happened there. I'm just speaking from the perspective of a former staffer who's had to deal with he said she said crap like this before.

First, a suggestion: if you want to persuade anyone that you're right, take the time to proof read your post. There are a lot of confusing, run-on sentences, brutally butchered words and sentences, and incoherent statements here. If you want anyone to take you seriously, show that you care enough to actually post coherently.

Second, I'd say the staff took the right action here. From reading accounts from both sides right here, it's impossible to tell what happened. You're upset that Wiz didn't magically discern who had the rights to the zone when the two sides couldn't even agree on the sequences of events. Get over it. Wiz has better things to do with his time than dig through the logs to verify a minor complaint with one or two mobs at stake.

Seriously. Move on, and plan better next time. There's no one clearly in the wrong here. You both have legitimate standpoints, by the sound of it, so Wiz took the right steps and it was resolved. Get on with your life.
 
ok well i got a group atm so im not gona be able to post for a while but we are more complaining that fusion had to lie to get the zone if they cant get their story stright telling it the next day does that say somthing?
 
ok well it really shows your character how you can attack my spelling and gramar just because im younger , classy
 
well im 15 and i dont really think it matters but if your gona attack someone character maybe considered who your attacking first , im not just a 65 druid eh theres an person behind the computer
 
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