New plane of frost loot

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Yeah bah we really need him to equipt that so everyone can see. I do think your right Praxes. It had like 40 cold on it. The 50 was the cold elemental damage it had with a base of 10 damage. I forgot to ask and have it put back on so people can truely see it's weaknesses. The only stat it has on it is CHA with 100 hps and 425 mana then the two resists. Most of the damage comes from the +50 cold damage on it. From what I've seen it really needs some sta and maybe another 100 - 150 hps to even it out. I just know it's pretty bad if a tier 4 cleric wont loot it due to its current stats. It would have upgraded his mana sure but he would have taken a massive hit in stats and hps just to look cool with a horned 2hb staff.
 
Did I say only or just "most". Instead of saying something constructive you imply I just post without research huh.
Nor did I say only. And yes, since I know enough people who got their cold focus from neither Glacial Eye nor IP Slippers, I say you posted without research.

Btw did you pay your debt to Felyn yet?
Nice trolling attempt, but not taking the bait.
 
Well focus effect or not that belt is totally Meh even with it on there. Sure it's nice to have another slot for cold focus, but who in their right mind would ever use that over Zini's belt, soulspike or the farhag belt anyways? She only looted because we have been backgearing her and she had SS. If she had anything better that item would have totally rotted on the corpse that night. :hmpf:

So if anything I hope that belt will get reworked in the future to reflect something close to a tier 8 drop with an aug slot. :)
 
N/M its both +50 cold resist and +50 to cold damage. I thought I remembered it correctly hehe.
 
Belt is bad. Tbh I'd put it around the intelligent power core, and I'd give the power core a few over it for being multislot and 1ft. The cold focus is easy to get on better items (with better slots for the focus, azrath being one of the ideal's, pulsing coldstone loop not far behind, though this is mostly because of very poor worthwhile variation in these slot categories for casters). One could argue it's more a hybrid item, which would be lacking due to the extreme lack of hp on it. I really see it trying to fill a bunch of niches all at once, and being too spread out it does them poorly.

In fact, if you want to giggle, look up one slot on mellyssa. The wrist is better in so many ways it doesn't even need detailed comparison. Wrist's are generally supposed to be weaker than belts. To be honest billy goat entrails also beat the ass off of it, but are clearly more beneficial sitting in the wrist slot.
 
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another example of very... interesting loot that might need a bit of a boost in power is Cold Pants, off of the same Attendant of the Heart in plane of frost.

I'm currently wearing on fomelo just for the purpose of this thread.

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
slot: legs, head
skill mod: +10 divination
5 str 150 hp 75 mana
Worn effect: flowing thought III
+25 cold resist
Aug slot : type 5
Class: wiz, nec, mag, enc

These are the reasons why I believe this item is not a balanced risk versus reward item: (we have no plans to waste our time killing this mob again)

Better legs can be gotten from Thaz for all classes, better pants can be gotten off of the entrance mob in ToT (im wearing), and pants of a similar quality drop in plane of fire off an easy mini boss. This mob is on the tier of thaz and ToT and yet these pants pale in comparison to other options.

As for head items, there are a great number of far superior head items from the same tier, and many head items from lower tiers that would really make you question equiping this item.
Example: cerulean coronet from ToT flame talon wing (similar tier, better stats, 1 ft less), from the slightly lower tier you have jhereks broken horns, the helm from clockwork, helm from valor a, and countless others i just am simply not remembering here. On top of all of that, you also have thaz class helms.

Now I do not believe it should have similar to thaz class specific items, as those require trash farming as well as the immaculate armor pieces. However, I do believe this item could afford to gain some ac, maybe some minor stats, and perhaps 25 more mana.
 
Tbh those could use something. Atm they are pretty much just a copy of the combined tmap wrist, with hp, a bit more resists and the novelty factor of being able to be worn on your head. Not to mention those are pretty strong slots overall. They're kind of difficult to judge off the top of my head in terms of v other gear for those slots.
 
The only thing I see is no stats - CHA would help here (specially with listed classes). But how would you complain about FT3 after hearing all this stuff about how FT is awesome ? considered the tier I think you say you can get better in Thaz are immaculate ? ToT are Ghan's ? it's just not compareable as this is multislot and hell , you're not supposed to be FT capped at the tier Frost is intended is how I see it.
About multislots, how do you point 1 less FT on a the Cerulean Corona ? it's +102 mana -3FT , so I suppose FT as 50m. I'm sure other people will appreaciate this differently.
 
I could be wrong, but the headpants might be bonus loot as opposed to set loot from the boss. Did you get 3 loots when it dropped?
 
Uh wait the above poster clearly mentions Attendant or I fail to read ? maybe that's why he's banned o_O
Edit : indeed BST seems to be an oversight instead of NEC ?
 
I could be wrong, but the headpants might be bonus loot as opposed to set loot from the boss. Did you get 3 loots when it dropped?

No, the headpants were one of only two loots that we had drop from attendant. I petitioned at the time to see if anyone could check and see if that was intended to drop in that manner. However the server came down about 10 minutes later before we could get a reply.
 
Woldaff doesn't want me to wear headpants is the only reason I see!

It is a VERY rare drop off of trash AND a normal drop off said boss. It is dropping as intended.
 
My suggestion for the staff.

damage delay..make the damage delay slightly better then a 1 handed ratio. it's about the same as hammer of the depths at the moment.

people that argue the high delay actually makes more damage because you can get 1 big swing in..well with my hammer of the depths i can get two swings inbetween spell casts without missing a spell (casting canni a lot) with staff of the attendant, it's only 1 swing. so there is no actual benefit there. maybe give us a delay that allows two swings in between gem refresh which is around 20-25 (obviously the damage should be adjusted accordingly)

upgrade the hp to 300-350. this is the hp given from weapon/shield combo.

give some other useful stats like str, sta.

other then that the staff is fine. i think the mana is good right where it's at. but to be fair with item progression it also lacks ft or another focus effect. could be cool to see healing increment 7 slapped on it as well as range inc..tho i know that's probably just wishful thinking. but i think the previous suggestions are valid and do not make the item over powered..while making it an actual useful item for it's tier.
 
Tufe you're comparing a priest 1H to a caster/priest 2H. Sure you could get Hammer on same tier - but not the shield. I would quit trying to up a 425m item - is there any other with that much mana ? is the question I would pose - with stuff to make him unreplaceable like more HP & FT. If it needs something it's STA to my appreciation .
 
The only thing I see is no stats - CHA would help here (specially with listed classes). But how would you complain about FT3 after hearing all this stuff about how FT is awesome ? considered the tier I think you say you can get better in Thaz are immaculate ? ToT are Ghan's ? it's just not compareable as this is multislot and hell , you're not supposed to be FT capped at the tier Frost is intended is how I see it.
About multislots, how do you point 1 less FT on a the Cerulean Corona ? it's +102 mana -3FT , so I suppose FT as 50m. I'm sure other people will appreaciate this differently.

Uh bit of a digression but...frost is prison tier iirc. So yes, you are supposed to be capped after a bit of time in prison tier. At least you can be, pretty easily, and it's a good idea. Right off the bat with a 200ishk+mq aug. You've got 5 to work with. Picking up another 6 is cake and involves 1 regular item, and 2 tmap ones. Picking up the rest isn't difficult, though you make alot of sacrifices. But due to aura of balance items, it's probable to reach it tbh.




Tufe you're comparing a priest 1H to a caster/priest 2H. Sure you could get Hammer on same tier - but not the shield. I would quit trying to up a 425m item - is there any other with that much mana ? is the question I would pose - with stuff to make him unreplaceable like more HP & FT. If it needs something it's STA to my appreciation .

The question is not does it have alot of mana. The question is, is it worth using over other things you could reasonably acquire at that tier, or already have. Which has always been the problem with caster 2hers. We can't generally melee for shit (few reasons, lack of dex for example) so a general damage bonus does us no good at all. The problem I'm seeing is with the current stats (mana is fine) it loses out by quite a bit by combined items one could have already. This is partially due to the large lack of hp on it. The only conceivable reason I could think of really to have one would be if one is lacking range increment for a swap in, and at that point one would be better off with a lower range swapped in and keeping their regular primary and secondary in (in most cases I can think of, which is quite a bit).

I do like that there is finally a caster 2her which approaches usefulness. It's long been something at the back of my mind. However I feel it falls short. Things to improve it? Some melee stats would be nice for one, throw some dex on there, as it's obviously a weapon you would want to hit with.

Right now it is
Range 7
50cha
100hp
425m
50cr
25mr

The only way I can really think of to compare it is comparing it v it's alternatives. A few common ones come to mind (note I'm only doing the comp for casters tbh, healers have a different set of considerations, as they generally possess acceptable melee skills)

Irandos
reagent 7
25int
25cha
175 hp
200 m
20mr

So right off the bat, before adding in a 2ndary, we have range v reagent. Range is definitely more useful (for now, come kunark this shows all signs of changing)

The stats add up really to a null, with 50 total v 50 total. Hp Irandos alone is 75 ahead, and the staff ends up with the following still left to be overcome (passed listed too)
+25cha
-25int
-75hp
+225m
+5mr
+50cr

For argument I'll put in a much lower tiered secondary. Shard of the hero shrine

FT1
20int
25cha
100hp
140m
20mr
15ac

The 2her ends up much lower on comp this time

-15ac
-FT1
-175hp
+85m
-15mr
+50cr
-45int
0cha

After ft it ends up 35m ahead. Note that this is with a much lower tiered shield in. It is superior in resists. But there are a number of other combinations where it would fall short as well. For instance, if we put a Wand of the Everliving in primary slot instead, it gets taken out to the woodshed in terms of mana and hp(counting the ft) with a small victory in the area of resists. If anyone wants to suggest any other items feel free.

Really what I think it needs first and foremost, is alot more in the way of hp. Make it comparable to wielding a primary and a secondary, and people will use it. The mana is not too bad, the focus is acceptable, and the resists are decent, standing up to a goodly number of double items. The hp and singular statfocus is really where it starts to lag way behind. Some dex, stamina, agility, all might be good things to toss in there too. I don't see where many healers would wield it regardless as one could rock out a hammer of the deep + tmap shield (upgraded version), and also be far better off in every area (sacrificing about 15 total resist and some raw mana for a massive lump of stats, +hp, useful clicky, ft3, 45 ac, and a more useful focus). Also one of those (the mapshield) is doable at a much lower tier. So I think it's fair to discount much of the argument about healers as a focus of it, as I don't really see why they would be all too hot on getting it, when there are far better alternatives. Unless of course they want it for a fg toy.

To conclude while I applaud the stick as a step in an interesting direction, that I'd like to see continued (2hers have long been ignored by casters, because they are generally shithouse compared to their alternatives). I think it falls a bit short to do that, not really in a way that is easily noticeable unless you've spent a goodly amount of time obsessing over gear though. Which I do.
 
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