More mid tier 6 and 12 man content

Humorously enough, I might be the Paladin referred to. I don't raid (half schedule half personal; hard for me nowdays to actually commit a night to appointment gaming, nor do I want to), though I do still play a lot because I enjoy the community and challenge of this game.

Obviously, I like content that is more geared around "free gaming" (as in you don't need to have a scheduled time in advance for multiple hours every week to do something) than "appointment gaming". However, as someone who also did his time raiding, I understand the challenge in making smaller group content- if you do something like WoW is doing with 10 and 25 man raiding (making them have the same rewards in cataclysm AFAIK), why bother going through the whiny drama of 25 people when you can be more chill with 10?

That said, I actually think Ikisith took this in a good direction- there's a lot of small group/6 man quests for faction and such in Murk and other zones. It gives people something to do while not raiding! More of this is a good thing for both raiders and non-raiders.

I would say though that I wish there were more quests that gave solid gear in the mid-tier range. They can be long-involved quests like the Vah that require getting a group together for a short amount of time and kicking some butt. Something like that I enjoy because I don't need to make weekly appointments for 4 hours to raid, I just need to gather up some friends (maybe a day or two in advance), then set out and kick some butt. More of that is a good thing.

If there was a need for extra 6-12 man content, I think the biggest area is there.

I do realize that this is a raid-centric game, though I think we can learn a few things from World of Warcraft (which has done a good job mixing hardcore and casual gameplay). Give people goals to play to, even if it's a long questline, and I think people will be happier even if they aren't raiding.
 
Just to be clear,

I am not talking about myself, my toons are in Phoenix Rising (Nuchre/Eleazer) and would never post about my personal gain. Ironically there are 6 and 12 man progression zones at my tier and we were in Abyss last night. My reason for making the post is:

1) Server numbers seem to be dropping;

2) High Tier Guilds have been decimated recently

3) I don't play on US time but almost all low tier raiding on European time is artifact hunting and PuGs

I can't talk about your Guild Draeos as I have very little experience of it but the fact is that the previous guilds that progressed did so with considerable help from ringers.

There are purists such as Rorne who feel that this is the game take it or leave it but I happen to feel that there is a very real danger that without more flexible progression the game is in danger of suffocating. Please recognise this as a legitimate point of view even if you disagree.

Thinking about this w ehave 6 man progression up to Tier 3ish and for T7 plus why not for the chasm in-between where many people give up.

My opinion was never highly regarded on the server but as far as this issue is concerned i think the 2 main problems are those :

1 : Stagnation

2 : Hostility

I am talking around the raiding aspect of the game by the way. People might be tempted to think I'm spewing this out of spite for not playing anymore but in reality the link is very thin.


The problem with this game is people usually find it up, play it a while, and just decide to move on for numerous reasons. At some point in time people will just find other games to play.
As much as you want to be nostalgic about it, at some point in time the only people who will be wanting to play this game will be people who blew 20 years of their life over it and that's just how it's really starting to sound ( and has been for 3-4 years already )

I honestly haven't read past page 2 at this point because I really could care less what comes up as answers to the phenomenon you are describing but I agree with you, it exists.

As far as hostility is concerned, I'm pretty sure you have a good idea of what I'm talking about. Some people with a lot of power on this server are plain assholes. The fact that you play this game to vent off stress and have fun and having these people constantly make you struggle really defeats the purpose of ' playing '. It just so happens that some of them are too influencial and have 3 toons in the top5 of every class which pretty much gives up a good description of their personality ; Abusive.

People move on and find better atmosphere.

P.S This is not a rant. IDC.
 
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There are not enough real people in tier 4-7 to do 18 man content and progress. Dev-Whoever introduces 6-12 man content to allow the people currently in that range to progress through those tiers without having to do much 18 man content. Aforementioned people advance through tiers 4-7 faster than normal due to 6-12 man content not taking as much effort and time.


I don't care if you want to kill us all in 6-12 man content, make it take hours to clear to a named, and don't make it guaranteed to drop shit

Make it un-desireable to do 6-12 man content

Just make it possible for me to gear out my characters without having to get along with 17 other people

Put it on a 1-11 Day respawn timer make the clear times hellesh, but please for Shards Sake, make it possible to gear my characters on my terms, with the people I get along with, make it as painful as you want. no one here said, i want this to be easier then 18 man raids, it can be whatever the Devs want it to be
 
Why not just make one of the million planes in that tier a 6 or 12 man restricted zone? Tone down the nameds appropriately of course, but I think trash is fine as is (do you seriously need 18 people to clear planar trash?). There's been a surplus of tier 4-6 (18man) zones for quite a while.
 
I don't care if you want to kill us all in 6-12 man content, make it take hours to clear to a named, and don't make it guaranteed to drop shit

Make it un-desireable to do 6-12 man content

Just make it possible for me to gear out my characters without having to get along with 17 other people

Put it on a 1-11 Day respawn timer make the clear times hellesh, but please for Shards Sake, make it possible to gear my characters on my terms, with the people I get along with, make it as painful as you want. no one here said, i want this to be easier then 18 man raids, it can be whatever the Devs want it to be

Who is your character, I can guarantee you that I can make a list of things you can do to progress your toon on your own terms (with whoever you want, however much you want etc.)
 
regardless of other things i think that if the goal is to have a community that people enjoy participating in then expecting players to be able to get along with even 17 other people for a year or two is natural. i have said this before but if you don't want to guild with horrible people you do not have to.. there is no way that every decent, skilled player with enough free time to raid is already in a high tier guild! just go out and find these people and make a guild sheesh. lots of people have done this and lots of people will continue to do this. you decide if you want Phat Loot Now but ooops have to deal with terrible people or Phat Loot Later but have to deal with pleasant people.
 
and another thing!!!! what is the point of 'gearing out a toon'? a pretty fomelo is not actually a goal no matter how people approach it. raid gear helps raiding people move up raid tiers and fight harder raid mobs. if you are not interested in fighting higher tier raid mobs what the hell do you care what your stats are after a certain point? why not just say phew i beat the 6-man game now i can either start a new character and beat the 6-man game again or change leagues and join the 18-man game (which is, honestly, where the most and best content is).
 
and another thing!!!! what is the point of 'gearing out a toon'? a pretty fomelo is not actually a goal no matter how people approach it. raid gear helps raiding people move up raid tiers and fight harder raid mobs. if you are not interested in fighting higher tier raid mobs what the hell do you care what your stats are after a certain point? why not just say phew i beat the 6-man game now i can either start a new character and beat the 6-man game again or change leagues and join the 18-man game (which is, honestly, where the most and best content is).

You are quite optimistic about how people approach this game as far as 'personal progression ' is concerned...
 
Who is your character, I can guarantee you that I can make a list of things you can do to progress your toon on your own terms (with whoever you want, however much you want etc.)

Hillary

There are pieces I have my eye on, but am running out of things I can reasonably obtain
And/or haven't had the time to fish hard enough yet
 
Hillary

There are pieces I have my eye on, but am running out of things I can reasonably obtain
And/or haven't had the time to fish hard enough yet

Things you could do:
  • Get a Lifeward.
  • Do your vah tmaps for overpowered HI7 secondary thing.
  • Earn some coin and buy some ikisith loot.
  • Kill random things like DFS for your 2nd ancient.

It took me a grand total of 30 sec to compose this list, there is a LOT more you can do.
 
Things you could do:
  • Get a Lifeward.
  • Do your vah tmaps for overpowered HI7 secondary thing.
  • Earn some coin and buy some ikisith loot.
  • Kill random things like DFS for your 2nd ancient.
It took me a grand total of 30 sec to compose this list, there is a LOT more you can do.

Finish your MQ, faction aug, deity aug also I am running out of fingers to type with so that is all you get right now.
 
Just got back from 15 days vacation and was interested to see that the thread had revived.

A couple of points:

Hopefully by now enough people have expressed an interest in this type of content to justify its development as time permits.

Please do not be put off by the one or two idiots who are incapable of posting and following through a logical argument without becoming abusive.
 
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