Monk Parses

[Andorraa]

This post was inspired by Rurho and Allielyn, and in the spirit of doing parses, here are some from a Monk.

I'm not going to make comparisons between Monk vs. Rogue vs. Ranger vs. Bard etc etc, because most of those comparisons are outlandish and incorrect. I would like to present some numbers and make sure that they are supposed to be as they are presented.

While I know that there are too many variables to make these "official" or "Balanced" parses, I wanted to at least put these numbers out there. I have max worn attack, Call of the Predator, Relic: Ancestral Focus, and Shield of the Combine. During these parses, my ATK was 1616. The Mob was a level 66 Vandathian Chosen.

The first set of parses I'd like to present are with the Spiked Obsidian Greatstaff, shown below:

These 2 parses are with the staff, using GoE,

Additionally, I parsed Flying Kick:

Then, I decided to parse monk fists, with no weapons in:

After these parses, I wanted to test out my One-Handed weapons, the Fist of Solid Ice and the Wardfist, shown below:

Additionally, I did 30 minute parses with my one-handed weapons,

And the Spiked Obsidian Greatstaff,

As I have parsed, the Spiked Obsidian Greatstaff is the best weapon overall. However, the one-handed weapons do nearly the same amout of DPS. What I am mainly trying to look at is the reason that Outer Prison/Lower-Thaz weapons are parsing nearly as high as the best 2Hander in the game. It seems to me at least that the greatstaff, being the best you can get (that I have seen) should be outparsing the one-handed weapons by a lot more. As far as monk fists go, it seems to me that the OP/LT weapons would be outdoing them at least a little bit more.

Additionally, I think the main attraction to not using One-Handed weapons is monk aggro. Warrior aggro not being what it used to be, I pull aggro quickly off of a warrior Main Tank extremely quickly. If I attack at 95%, within 10%, I'll have pulled aggro off of Sald. This makes using one-handed weapons extremely unattractive to a monk. With the greatstaff, I still pull aggro within about 30% if I don't FD the aggro off.

What I've shown here is simply a request for monk damage to be looked at. If this is what Wiz and the Devs want monk damage to be, then this is what it is. If not, I'd request a slight upshoot on some of the higher end weapons, such as the Greatstaff. Monks, I think, are at the low end of the melee damage scale, compared to rangers, rogues, and Bards, but I'm only comparing them based on heresay.

PLEASE DO NOT TROLL THIS POST. THIS IS FOR SERIOUS DISCUSSION ONLY, AND PARSES ON DUMMY MOBS WERE DONE WITH PERMISSION FROM ADMINS.

 

[Manluas]

Some sort of request:

I'd like to see parses while using Fist of solid Ice/Flamestrike Mace since those represent the (current) top end 1handers a monk could use. I wonder how this parses look.

 

[Jun]

I don't really think you should factor in agro considering FD is without a doubt the best agro-check in game. Also fully buffed and with Giantkin I usually parsed ~400dps using the earth 2hb using EQCompanion. Several people in Venerate can verify this, parsing me around the same numbers - and I'm not talking about low end raid mobs as samples either. I consistently parsed 385-395dps on outer prison statues that are immune to crits). Basically, your parses seem off, and monks are certainly not underpowered.

 

[Andorraa]

I don't really think you should factor in agro considering FD is without a doubt the best agro-check in game. Also fully buffed and with Giantkin I usually parsed ~400dps using the earth 2hb using EQCompanion. Several people in Venerate can verify this, parsing me around the same numbers - and I'm not talking about low end raid mobs as samples either. I consistently parsed 385-395dps on outer prison statues that are immune to crits). Basically, your parses seem off, and monks are certainly not underpowered.

It seems to me that you're making outlandish claims with zero proof. Since you have zero credibility with me personally, I highly doubt any information you present without proof. If you REALLY did do what you say you did, you need to provide me or the GMs with the parses you claim to have.

Until then, get out of my thread.

 

[Jun]

Lol ok I'll get some parses for you. The point still remains that your agro argument is pretty idiotic unless you're a bad player (you are) and that monks are fine when compared to other melees.

 

[Finny]

Lol ok I'll get some parses for you. The point still remains that your agro argument is pretty idiotic unless you're a bad player (you are) and that monks are fine when compared to other melees.

Shitting up his thread is totally the way to go, really.

 

[TapeinV]

Shitting up his thread is totally the way to go, really.

So what are you doing right here, did you just magically turn into the forum moderator?

Jun said he could verify. We'll post on the forums and see if anyone still has a log from that night. If not, I'll log back on myself, grab a healer team and Loccy, and go parse on vandiathians in OP.

 

[Jun]

Well if you can point out where in my first post I said anything to get such a defensive response from Draxx I'll agree with you. If I could get a GM to spawn some mobs for someone playing Junius, I'd be more than willing to post parses. Unfortunately, I don't know any GMs willing to do that for me.

 

[TapeinV]

Either way, I'd like to see admins allow more high-end monks then just one do this sort of testing before any conclusions are drawn.

Thanks,

Tapein.

 

[Jun]

Just to clarify what I meant in my first post, Im not saying "nah nah nah I do this much DPS," I was trying to point our youre lacking some buffs that you'd certainly use. That and you're not providing numbers of the classes you think are doing too much DPS is respect to monks (also... bards...?), I just think monks are fine DPS for now,but like I said I'd be very willing to parse if I could be provided with a dummy mob.

 

[Widan]

It seems to me that you're making outlandish claims with zero proof. Since you have zero credibility with me personally, I highly doubt any information you present without proof. If you REALLY did do what you say you did, you need to provide me or the GMs with the parses you claim to have.

Until then, get out of my thread.

Why are you such an asshole.

PS: I normally parsed Jun around 350-375

 

[articbre]

To be very honest here and not siding with anyone. The only person who has shown any proof what-so-ever is draxx on his post. Since this is for serious discussion, unless you have proof otherwise please don't spread claims about your dps. If you feel like adding in your input with your dps, feel free to post your findings as you most likely have them still. Thank you.

 

[Widan]

This is the only one I could find, Junius did not have giantkin this fight (Look at the ADPS column). This was with 2h

 

[Allielyn]

Let me summarize his argument in English, since apparently Draxx speaks by posting a million numbers that have NO pertinence to his argument and I think you're all confused. But Draxx, if this ISNT what you were trying to say, feel free to correct me

I'd like to discuss a comparison of obsidian greatstaff DPS vs. lower thaz level/IP level one-handers DPS. I took some parses - the actual DPS amount isn't as pertinent as the DPS difference between the two. I think the greatstaff should parse higher in comparison, given the tier difference between the two. And maybe it would help high end monk dps overall, since I think it might be a little too low.

The pertinent numbers from my parsing are as follows:

1 30 minute parse for each, results:
IP/lower thaz level 1h'ers: 270.14
Upper thaz level 2h'er: 294.97

Also, the 2h'er pulls a lot less aggro, so there's another (possibly pertinent) bonus.

And now to respond in a way that contributes:

If these parses are representative I think it's balanced. Considering that's a 9% increase in DPS over the previous tier, AND the 2h'er allows you to do better effective DPS because you don't have to FD off aggro as much, I'd say the increase is well and balanced, if not a little bit overbalanced.

I don't really think you should factor in agro considering FD is without a doubt the best agro-check in game.

But using FD lowers your dps - isn't that pertinent to the discussion here?

 

[articbre]

This is the only one I could find, Junius did not have giantkin this fight. (Look at the ADPS column)

Would you be able to go into Junius's parse and show the time duration and hits that he did. As things like that could just be lucky crits/etc. Thank you.

 

[TapeinV]

Duration of that fight was listed as 2 minutes 57 seconds on MotG. Not a low-end mob. It was a short parse, but it was the only one we could pull up on a snap; however, most raid trash fights/higher end mobs last 1-8 minutes in duration. On a recent one group excursion into OP, Junius parsed 350-380 on average each fight; I wish that we had saved all of that, but we figured it'd never be information that would be relevant to anything.

With a 2hb, monk dps is fine as is. With giantkin + spiked obsidian staff + normal raid buffs (given said monk has 40%+ haste) it is very easy for a monk to parse at an average of 400+ on a fight.

One handed weapons could be looked at, yes, but I believe they should still remain under 2hand blunt dps in the end.

 

[Brimztone]

I have 3 min parses with Arraz parsing 500+. Not that I do it on every raid mob, or trash mob for that is. I was there when Drello and Draxx were doing said parses, and I parsed myself with limited buffs at about 380 consistantly over the course of a 30 min parse.

While I don't doubt the DPS potential of a monk with Giantkin(I know with Giantkin my DPS SKYROCKETS), it's pretty unrelated.

 

[Widan]

Would you be able to go into Junius's parse and show the time duration and hits that he did. As things like that could just be lucky crits/etc. Thank you.

It shows duration, max hit, min hit, average hit, total dmg etc. If you want to go through a 125 page parse and look up every single hit I'd be more than happy to send it to you.

PS: Let me repeat Junius did not have giantkin on this fight.

 

[TapeinV]

I have 3 min parses with Arraz parsing 500+. Not that I do it on every raid mob, or trash mob for that is. I was there when Drello and Draxx were doing said parses, and I parsed myself with limited buffs at about 380 consistantly over the course of a 30 min parse.

While I don't doubt the DPS potential of a monk with Giantkin(I know with Giantkin my DPS SKYROCKETS), it's pretty unrelated.

He didn't have giantkin on for that fight.

Even so, he should have, and Draxx should have too -- unless the encounter specifically involves an enchanter, and there aren't so many of those, monks with giantkin is A+, much more so then rogues.

 

[Allielyn]

monks with giantkin is A+, much more so then rogues.

This is true, in part because giantkin haste does not affect backstab dps, which is about 50% of all rogue dps.