Mantle of the forest

[wolfwalkerEci]

Mantle of the Forest. Cost to unbind 7200pp+ If unenchanted cost vendor will pay out 4200.
The price on this item is higher then I think it should be. I quoted a post of wiz and hope that is still the case and this item can have its price reduced.
When I got this mantle I had to pay 15k which was the going rate. This unbind cost would require me to sell it for more then 15k to even come reasonbly close to making cash.
Yes I could settle for making 6k on the item but im not going to. I have no issue with taking a 1k or 2k hit on selling something but 7500pp average is not something im interested in.


Not sure if this is still accurate:

Unbinder Prices
After observing BOE for a while, I feel that the cost to unbind an item is currently both too high and rather unintuitive. The cost to unbind something will now be roughly the same amount you would get from selling it to a vendor (before any modifiers for charisma / faction). Note that this is still being tweaked and this is not a final cost. So if an item fetches on average 90pp from a vendor, it will also cost 90pp to unbind (unenchanting is still free).

 

[GuiardoTuneweaver]

When I got this mantle I had to pay 15k which was the going rate. This unbind cost would require me to sell it for more then 15k to even come reasonbly close to making cash.
Yes I could settle for making 6k on the item but im not going to. I have no issue with taking a 1k or 2k hit on selling something but 7500pp average is not something im interested in.

You do realize that BOE and unbinding was implemented as an incentive for things to exit circulation, not a platinum sink right?

If you go to the thread you quoted, you'll also see:

The one issue I see with the unbinder change is with tradeskill items. Vendor price necessarily has to be below cost-to-make for tradeskill items. Allowing unbinding at the same price again makes it so that people can unbind for cheaper than the item could be made for in the first place, so the 2nd hand market makes more pp from unbinding and selling than the tradeskiller, and thus resold tradeskilled items can be sold cheaper than new items. Again, they won't leave the economy.

Yeah, that is true, I'm gonna leave it at 1.5x for TS items.

 

[wolfwalkerEci]

True and other TS items are not near as expensive as this item. Im not interested in reselling it as I could use it on my other character as a clicky ds or even augd for resists.

 

[robopirateninja]

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When I got this mantle I had to pay 15k which was the going rate. This unbind cost would require me to sell it for more then 15k to even come reasonbly close to making cash.
Yes I could settle for making 6k on the item but im not going to. I have no issue with taking a 1k or 2k hit on selling something but 7500pp average is not something im interested in.

True and other TS items are not near as expensive as this item. Im not interested in reselling it as I could use it on my other character as a clicky ds or even augd for resists.

Your OP specifically mentions how hard it will be for you to turn a profit reselling the item but 7k is still cheaper than buying a new one for 15k so you still win.

 

[GuiardoTuneweaver]

True and other TS items are not near as expensive as this item. Im not interested in reselling it as I could use it on my other character as a clicky ds or even augd for resists.

Other TS items are not near as expensive to make as this item either, nor do they have the incredible failure rate. And again, BOE is to take items out of circulation... it shouldn't be cheap to transfer a 15k item from one toon to another.

Think of it as unbinding is giving you a 3,600pp discount off buying a new one for 15k, since your cost = 7200pp (cost to unbind) + 4200pp (what you could have gotten for it from the vendor) = 11,400.

 

[Furrygamer]

Think of it this way. You want it on another char instead now? you pay half instead of full price!

 

[Allielyn]

When I got this mantle I had to pay 15k which was the going rate. This unbind cost would require me to sell it for more then 15k to even come reasonbly close to making cash.

Your math is wrong. Unbind it for 7200, then you'd have to sell it for 7200 + 4200 in order to come out ahead of just plain unenchanting it. IE, you'd have to be able to sell it for 11.4k or more to come out ahead. If the 'going rate' is still 15k, you're still getting a deal if you're trying to transfer it, and you can still make a profit (vs unenchanter) if you want to sell it (that is, if you want to bother trying to sell it - that may take some time investment as well).

If you were trying to actually make a profit from your original 15k purchase price, I'm sorry, but you used the item - the use you got out of the item is the profit you get. That might rarely be possible on some items depending on market fluctuations, but generally that's not going to happen anymore for items you use and bind to your person.

Yes, the item has a high value (which is reflected by high unbinding and unenchanting costs), but it is balanced.

 

[wolfwalkerEci]

Well if the staff considers it balanced thats fine by me. I'm sure I'll aquire the parts to make another one.
However if someone did wish to sell their item why should they take such a large hit on an item that has a very large failure rate. You do not see very many Motf for sell.
Think of it as if you wished to move the item your actually paying initial price plus 7200+pp IE 22000-23000pp in my case.
Thats pretty fail right there. I would rather see this item cost 4200 to unbind and vendor for 1k or so. It is still not a cheap way to move the item and considering how few of these are made or for sell its not like its going to suddenly change the market.

Be that all as it may the staff considers it a fair price and thats all there is to it. Sad panda will just bank it till I need room and then unenchant it.

 

[GuiardoTuneweaver]

Think of it as if you wished to move the item your actually paying initial price plus 7200+pp IE 22000-23000pp in my case.

That's the cost to have used it on 2 characters. 23k is still better than 30k which it would have cost you if there were no unbinding. BOE is designed to make it expensive to move from one character to another, and to encourage vendoring items so they leave the economy.

Thats pretty fail right there. I would rather see this item cost 4200 to unbind and vendor for 1k or so. It is still not a cheap way to move the item and considering how few of these are made or for sell its not like its going to suddenly change the market.

If it cost 4200 to unbind, you could "make" a used one cheaper than a tradeskiller can make a new one; you could sell it for more of a profit than the person who made it in the first place; that is what would be pretty fail.

Absolute minimum going price for just the materials that go into a single combine is about 6.2k. Now factor in failure rate, and making a profit for the risk of a string of failures, and you can see why they go for so much and you don't see many for sale (I don't even bother attempting them).

I still don't think you understand the reason for having BOE in the first place...

 

[wolfwalkerEci]

I understand the reason just fine. However on an item with a high ass fail rate and not cheap items to make it I think the cost to unbind it is stupid high.