I wasn't sure if this post should go in tech problems or bugs so i decided to post here since it's a vendor issue. Listview browser is not returning all of the listsold vendors. It seems that after listadding your name, about 30 minutes later your name stops showing. It is still possable to listsold by name but the browser only returns recent listadds. Hope someone who can fix the problem reads this.
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calaran
Dalayan Beginner
So, I'm just trying to clarify. You cannot see someone running around and check out what they're selling now? I thought that was nice because I would run around newport just checking everyone out... now I guess every person who wants to have any chance of selling anything will need to spam the /auc channel so that people know to go to a banker and see what that person has for sale?
Not complaining, since I don't honestly ever buy anything and really haven't other than a couple small transactions that were totally through /auc, tells and personal meeting, but it seems like thematically you could check out what someone had as they were running around, and functionally it sure seems like it was more convenient before...
Not complaining, since I don't honestly ever buy anything and really haven't other than a couple small transactions that were totally through /auc, tells and personal meeting, but it seems like thematically you could check out what someone had as they were running around, and functionally it sure seems like it was more convenient before...
GuiardoTuneweaver
Staff Emeritus
calaran said:
Or the seller can use the /cm listadd command and the buyer can use the /cm listsold command. See The Listing System entry in the Tome of Knowledge for more information on these.
calaran
Dalayan Beginner
Yeah, I'm aware of those commands. What I was meaning is that people who want to sell items will necessarily have to publicize now. Maybe that's the intent, and that's fine. Personally as a buyer-only, I would rather not have to watch the /auc line and instead I can just run around new port /listsold'ing with people highlighted.
Scenario (before change):
Jimbob has a Mossy Tunic for sale for 20p among many other items. He is standing in Newport and is afk. I am online and REALLY want a Mossy Tunic, but I have the /auc line turned off because it's spammy... even if I did not, Jimbob is afk and like a good citizen is not using any automation to repeatedly advertise. I run through Newport and see him standing in an area with other players that are probably idling there for the purpose of selling stuff, so I run up to him, target him, /cm listsold and oila, I see what I want and buy it.
Scenario (how things are now):
Same exact situation, I'm running through Newport, I see him, target him, /cm listsold, and I get nothing. I remember that Wiz put in this change, run to the bank... I have no reason to suspect Jimbob has the item I want, so I don't automatically target the banker and /cm listsold jimbob, instead I do /cm listview and start browsing each and every person on that list. There is no telling how long it'll be before I happen upon Jimbob's Mossy Tunic, if I ever do...
You see, I'm sure, how in the second situation, the use of /auc is necessary because otherwise I would have no way of knowing he had the item. Personally right after the change (player vendors removed) I enjoyed seeing a bunch of people standing around the bank in NNP (or maybe it was SNP) and I'd run up, target, /cm listsold, move to the next... While there's not a 2-way interaction there, at least I'm interacting with other players in some way. Now, I run straight to the bank, /cm listview, then /cm listsold each player...
I'm not disparaging or claiming that the system is horrible, I was merely musing on the point that now /auc should get much busier than it was and people casually grabbing some items, sticking them up for sale and then laundering around NP is no longer going to happen. In order to bring the buyer and the supply together now a seller must spam /auc or hope somebody takes the time to /cm listview and then /cm listsold each and every single person.. Again, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing; for me, I prefer vendors personally, but Wiz has his goals for how things should work, and I was just pointing out that it seems like this is a move to increase the use of the /auc line perhaps and to encourage promoting your goods.
Scenario (before change):
Jimbob has a Mossy Tunic for sale for 20p among many other items. He is standing in Newport and is afk. I am online and REALLY want a Mossy Tunic, but I have the /auc line turned off because it's spammy... even if I did not, Jimbob is afk and like a good citizen is not using any automation to repeatedly advertise. I run through Newport and see him standing in an area with other players that are probably idling there for the purpose of selling stuff, so I run up to him, target him, /cm listsold and oila, I see what I want and buy it.
Scenario (how things are now):
Same exact situation, I'm running through Newport, I see him, target him, /cm listsold, and I get nothing. I remember that Wiz put in this change, run to the bank... I have no reason to suspect Jimbob has the item I want, so I don't automatically target the banker and /cm listsold jimbob, instead I do /cm listview and start browsing each and every person on that list. There is no telling how long it'll be before I happen upon Jimbob's Mossy Tunic, if I ever do...
You see, I'm sure, how in the second situation, the use of /auc is necessary because otherwise I would have no way of knowing he had the item. Personally right after the change (player vendors removed) I enjoyed seeing a bunch of people standing around the bank in NNP (or maybe it was SNP) and I'd run up, target, /cm listsold, move to the next... While there's not a 2-way interaction there, at least I'm interacting with other players in some way. Now, I run straight to the bank, /cm listview, then /cm listsold each player...
I'm not disparaging or claiming that the system is horrible, I was merely musing on the point that now /auc should get much busier than it was and people casually grabbing some items, sticking them up for sale and then laundering around NP is no longer going to happen. In order to bring the buyer and the supply together now a seller must spam /auc or hope somebody takes the time to /cm listview and then /cm listsold each and every single person.. Again, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing; for me, I prefer vendors personally, but Wiz has his goals for how things should work, and I was just pointing out that it seems like this is a move to increase the use of the /auc line perhaps and to encourage promoting your goods.
GuiardoTuneweaver
Staff Emeritus
calaran said:
So, before the change when he's just standing around AFK, how did you know he had a Mossy Tunic for sale?
At least with the listsold system, he could state "Selling a Mossy Tunic!". With listview you can see all the folks selling things, and what they want to advertise. The "before" is much more random... You have to get lucky that the person who's selling what you want just happens to be standing around for you to listview.
I'm not disagreeing with your interaction comment and certainly not against your preference, but I think the listsold system decreases the need to /auction over being able to listsold individuals rather than increasing it.
calaran
Dalayan Beginner
Okay, it is quite possible I was dropped on my head frequently as a child, because I keep speaking where I don't know the facts.
I did not realise (and at work could not check) that /cm listview would show things people wanted to advertise, I thought it was just simply a list of people that wanted to sell SOMETHING.
The old method is perhaps more random, and I do realize that any benefit of the old system was really just a preference... but I personally don't know what the downside of being able to /cm listsold while targetting a player was. I'm sure there was either a negative programmatic or socio-economic impact of that ability hence it being removed; I was just asking what it was and stating what I see to be an added inconvenience. Most people probably do not like to run around an area /cm listsold'ing every person they see, but for me that was sorta fun, and I had a chance of finding something someone stuck up for sale a long while ago, never advertise it, and it just so happens I need it and it's a good deal.
However, basically everything changes if on /cm listview they can advertise what they have... I REALLY should read more closely/try things out before moaning about stuff. I do think a somewhat interesting interaction element has been removed by that change, but I'll trust ther was good reason.
I did not realise (and at work could not check) that /cm listview would show things people wanted to advertise, I thought it was just simply a list of people that wanted to sell SOMETHING.
The old method is perhaps more random, and I do realize that any benefit of the old system was really just a preference... but I personally don't know what the downside of being able to /cm listsold while targetting a player was. I'm sure there was either a negative programmatic or socio-economic impact of that ability hence it being removed; I was just asking what it was and stating what I see to be an added inconvenience. Most people probably do not like to run around an area /cm listsold'ing every person they see, but for me that was sorta fun, and I had a chance of finding something someone stuck up for sale a long while ago, never advertise it, and it just so happens I need it and it's a good deal.
However, basically everything changes if on /cm listview they can advertise what they have... I REALLY should read more closely/try things out before moaning about stuff. I do think a somewhat interesting interaction element has been removed by that change, but I'll trust ther was good reason.
Chinghis
Dalayan Adventurer
Maybe I'm as thick as our favorite Laker up there, but... /cm listview only shows something meaningful if someone has put in a meaningful comment. I put in a few things of what I have - tradeskill items like "Cheap Hopper Hides." Then folks have an idea of what I have. Many people put in stupid comments like "Buy my stuff". That tells me nothing.
Being able to walk around and target folks would make it interesting, at least. I hate sitting in a bank and having to type /cm listsold 20 over and over again, and then try to figure out who might have something I could afford with my paltry sum of plat. Might also create a sense of community, like the old EC tunnel (or NFP, on my old server).
Being able to walk around and target folks would make it interesting, at least. I hate sitting in a bank and having to type /cm listsold 20 over and over again, and then try to figure out who might have something I could afford with my paltry sum of plat. Might also create a sense of community, like the old EC tunnel (or NFP, on my old server).
