Listsend feature request

Hasrett

Dalayan Beginner
Is there any way to make it so you can see a list of stuff that's been sent to you, similar to checking someone's listsold, and picking items from it selectively? I logged on today and had a whole crapton of tmaps in listget, but had no way of knowing how many there were. I had ordered some other items from a tradeskiller ( <3 Griz), and after listaccepting 6 or 8 tmaps and seeing another one in the listget, I wasn't sure I'd have enough plat left for the stuff I had ordered. I'd love see /cm listget bring up a list of items waiting for you in the mail, with associated numbers, so that you could /cm listaccept X to get a certain item, or /cm listaccept all to accept all of them.

Probably a pain in the ass to code, but I thought I'd ask =)
 
The only real benefit to this I can see is to make it easier for people to order things and delay payment on them. If you can't afford to buy an item, don't tell the seller you can.
 
I beg to differ. I support this very much and it shouldn't be very hard to code at all. Take a little time, yes, but with any moderately featured programming language, stuff like this is fairly basic. (Though I have no idea what language the devs are using.)

If someone were to announce in /auc "buying Easy T-Maps" I could see getting a ton of stuff waiting in your listget, obviously you don't want to buy them all if you have several dozen waiting for you, and it would probably be nice to be able to be able to compare prices before buying anyways.

Not a necessary feature no, but a handy one to have when you need it.
 
AoiMasamune said:
If someone were to announce in /auc "buying Easy T-Maps" I could see getting a ton of stuff waiting in your listget, obviously you don't want to buy them all if you have several dozen waiting for you, and it would probably be nice to be able to be able to compare prices before buying anyways.
Thats whay you /auc "Buying Easy T-Maps, XXXpp" and straight out reject all overpriced ones.
 
taishar said:
So that's why I didn't log on and have 1.8k waiting for me :what:
I picked them all up when I got em... and had enough for the augs with like 62pp to spare =P So you should have the money as of last night around 8 or 9pm PST.

Tyrone said:
The only real benefit to this I can see is to make it easier for people to order things and delay payment on them. If you can't afford to buy an item, don't tell the seller you can.
It's not everyday that three different people mail you a crapload of tmaps at approximately the same time. I had several kpp surplus and wasn't expecting to get like 3.6k in maps. A couple, sure, a man can hop. It was my lucky day; but it could have gotten in the way.

I guess you're right, it could be abused if someone were so inclined. I honestly think that would be very rare, though. At the very least it would be nice to be able to see everything that's queued up, even if you can purchase selectively. There's nothing abusable about that.
 
I support this idea.
There can be alot of reasons why you may or may not want to buy the one thing that's flooded first in your mailbox. I would like to be able to pick up things i've spoken with someone about before the random stuff that comes along. Also if i pick up that days' important mail and find things I'm not really buying - I could choose to buy them instead of automatically rejecting them to get to the things I am buying. not to mention it would be awesome to find out, when my requests to send things in stacks is ignored exactly how many single whatever's are waiting for me.
 
Grizabella said:
not to mention it would be awesome to find out, when my requests to send things in stacks is ignored exactly how many single whatever's are waiting for me.
Ahahahaha!

Yeah, I would think the tradeskillers, particularly Griz and Tressee, would find this especially important.

Frankly I think any risk of abuse is pretty small, and far outweighed by the benefit.
 
AoiMasamune said:
I beg to differ. I support this very much and it shouldn't be very hard to code at all. Take a little time, yes, but with any moderately featured programming language, stuff like this is fairly basic. (Though I have no idea what language the devs are using.)

If someone were to announce in /auc "buying Easy T-Maps" I could see getting a ton of stuff waiting in your listget, obviously you don't want to buy them all if you have several dozen waiting for you, and it would probably be nice to be able to be able to compare prices before buying anyways.

Not a necessary feature no, but a handy one to have when you need it.

The only real benefit to this I can see is to make it easier for people to order things and delay payment on them. If you can't afford to buy an item, don't tell the seller you can.
 
Easy fix for the possible "exploit" mentioned above.

Add an additional variable to the end of the listsend command. This variable must contain a numerical value between 1 and 100. This is the number of hours the seller agrees to let the item sit in the buyer's listget before the transaction cancels itself and the item is returned to the seller.

Done.
 
There is already an automatic return in listsold. If you did not agree to buy an item from the person who sent it to you, reject it. If you did, then pay for it. I don't see why this feature would be beneficial at all.
 
Simple: if you can't afford the thing at that very moment, but will have the plat for it in X amount of time... you can either be completely locked down in your listsold, or you can reject it. What if they're not online, so you can't explain why you can't buy it then? You reject it, they sell it to someone else. What if you sent yourself [item y] from an alt to sell to have enough plat to pay for the item? You can't get to it without rejecting the item, and again, if they're not on, you might just be fuckered.

What happens if you make a post on the forums saying you'll buy Easy tmaps for X amount, Mod tmaps for Y amount (the same amounts you auction for a few times a day in-game), hoping that someone might send you one every now and then, and that day when you get home from work, you find that you've got mail waiting. You look, and think, sweet! An E map! And you accept it. And then another. And then another. And then another. And then you see you've got a mod map... and another, and another. And then two more E maps. And another mod map waiting! You don't have any way of knowing whether there are more in line, and you may be running out of money. Personally, I think it's more than fair to put priority on, say, a set of augments you specifically told someone you'd buy and which were made for you specifically, over tmaps sent at a standard price without any communication. You'd want both, and you'd pay for both, but if you had to spend a few hours, or even a day, farming, you'd want to meet your specific obligation first.

If it's difficult to code, that's fine, I understand. But the feature IS beneficial for anyone who buys stuff frequently via listsend, and I think that the above-mentioned disadvantages are by and large phantoms.
 
So the people who sent you the items should be deprived of their money and their items because you can't plan adequately? That seems more unfair to me than you only being able to buy things you can pay for.
 
robopirateninja said:
So the people who sent you the items should be deprived of their money and their items because you can't plan adequately? That seems more unfair to me than you only being able to buy things you can pay for.
Is there some listsend agreement that we all signed when we joined the server that requires that we listaccept the instant the item is sent? I'm sorry, I missed that line.

Your accusations are baseless. I don't agree to buy something I don't intend to pay for. I will buy every single tmap that is sent to me at the listed prices, as long as I'm able to log on (in other words, not this weekend, since I doubt I'll be on between now and Sunday or Monday). If they come in so fast that I run low on money, I'll make money, and buy them 4 hours later, or the next morning. It's not hard to do.

But you see, sometimes unforeseeable things occur. I don't plan for those. My bad. I'd welcome any tips on how to do so.
 
RoboNinja, that argument is why I made the post about the modification to ListSend. If you send an E T-Map to someone, and you don't know how many other people are sending, you may limit the time they have to respond to 1 hour or 2 hours. If they fail to respond in a timely fashion, the item is returned, you claim it from your Listget and you may then attempt again to find a buyer. Nothing gets tied up.
 
AoiMasamune said:
RoboNinja, that argument is why I made the post about the modification to ListSend. If you send an E T-Map to someone, and you don't know how many other people are sending, you may limit the time they have to respond to 1 hour or 2 hours. If they fail to respond in a timely fashion, the item is returned, you claim it from your Listget and you may then attempt again to find a buyer. Nothing gets tied up.
I'd kinda like to see a feature along those lines as well, although not for that reason. It's more just because a lot of people are dicks these days and neither buy nor reject the item.

An alternative would be a way to bring a list of items you've listsent and which haven't been purchased yet, and recall them. A time limit could be added, e.g. 2 hours minimum, so you can't just dick with someone by sending them an item while they're in a group or whatever, then recalling it as soon as they gate out.
 
If I listsend something to someone without them agreeing to it in advance, such as a tradeskiller who gets mass components I won't get upset if it gets dumped back. If I contact someone and they agree to buy my item, I expect them to buy it.

My tip to you is not to solicit items you don't have the platinum to pay for. If you have an unsolicited item in your listsend blocking an item you ordered, reject it.

I'm not sure what accusation you think I made, or who it was aimed at but :what:


Hasrett said:
It's more just because a lot of people are dicks these days and neither buy nor reject the item.
You're asking for a change that would allow these dicks to continue using listsold while doing exactly the thing you claim not to like. I don't understand.
 
robopirateninja said:
If I listsend something to someone without them agreeing to it in advance, such as a tradeskiller who gets mass components I won't get upset if it gets dumped back. If I contact someone and they agree to buy my item, I expect them to buy it.

My tip to you is not to solicit items you don't have the platinum to pay for. If you have an unsolicited item in your listsend blocking an item you ordered, reject it.

I'm not sure what accusation you think I made, or who it was aimed at but :what:
Re-read the section I quoted... you may not have meant to, but you came across as saying that I'm trying to screw would-be sellers over and can't plan adequately.

And, like I said, I had several kpp surplus and solicited items at the going rate. I didn't expect anything like that kind of influx (not that I'm complaining mind you!). Hell, it's not that uncommon for moderate maps to go for 600.

My point remains: the unforeseeable happens. You might have told someone 3 weeks ago that you want a certain item, and to send it to you if they get another one. You could reject it, but what if you still want it?

And you didn't respond to my previous hypothetical: What if you can pay for it as soon as you sell that item you sent yourself from an alt? Or that you bought at under market value? You're screwed, because you can't get to the queued item without rejecting the one you're trying to save up for. What if you've bought a tmap, or been sent one by a friend, to help make the plat (I've done this before; they're good, easy money)?

The point is, you're locked down if there's an item that you want to keep first in line in the queue, if you can't afford it at that very moment. There's no reason to be (other than any coding difficulties, obviously). It's mail. There's no reason in terms of utility, balance, fairness, etc. to have the current limitation.
 
I was responding to your post, yes, but in the sense of what could and could not happen if the changes you were discussing were implemented, not necessarily accusing you directly.

Hasrett said:
And you didn't respond to my previous hypothetical: What if you can pay for it as soon as you sell that item you sent yourself from an alt? Or that you bought at under market value? You're screwed, because you can't get to the queued item without rejecting the one you're trying to save up for. What if you've bought a tmap, or been sent one by a friend, to help make the plat (I've done this before; they're good, easy money)?

If you don't have the money to buy the item, then don't offer to buy it. If you need to sell an item to afford your new toy, then sell your item first, don't make the seller wait. The only person screwed in this situation is the person who sent you an item expecting you to pay for it.
Hasrett said:
The point is, you're locked down if there's an item that you want to keep first in line in the queue, if you can't afford it at that very moment.

I don't see a problem with that at all.
 
OK. Wow. How is this not getting through to you? I've even provided a concrete example.

My situation last night: I offer to buy 200pp and 500pp items. I have over 3k in excess of what I agreed to pay for my order from Griz. I have. Enough. Money. To buy. What I asked for.

OK?

Clear?

Yet... due to rather remarkable circumstances... I was nearly unable to do so.

Are you saying that you should never make a standing purchase offer for anything, ever, anywhere, anyhow, if you don't have a billion times infinity plat, because everyone on the server might decide to listsend you 250 of them?

There are normal, feasible, reasonable, everyday situations from which problems can arise the fair, simple, and equitable solution for which would be to implement a system allowing you to prioritize, reorder, or pick and choose which listsent items you want to buy.

The only way anyone would get screwed is if you chose to screw them by not rejecting items you aren't going to pay for. And you can do so ALMOST as easily under the current system. People who did so deliberately because they could get around the queue would be what we call "griefers" and they be doing something that could earn them jail time, a suspension, or a ban. Besides which, if you really wanted to screw someone that way, you could do so now by simply bidding with an alt and letting the item rot for 2 days.


Edit: That's going to be my last response to what I'm assuming is either trolling or deliberate obtuseness. If you have a point to make, please point out what about my example is unreasonable, or why my example is not appropriate or sufficient. You're flabbergasting me IRL so much that I just used flabbergast as a progressive verb.
 
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