Listsend feature request
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robopirateninja
Staff Emeritus
In your situation you have the following in your listsold, and for simplicity you have 2x money:
Item you asked for on the forums cost x
Item you asked for on the forums cost x
Item you asked for from Grizabella cost x
You cannot afford to buy all of them, yet you have solicited them, whether through tells or on the forums.
Under the current system you are forced to respond to the person on a first-sent first-resolved basis. If you know that you will need your money to buy something later, don't spend all your money now, and reject the first two, or however many.
Under your system you would ignore the first two sellers and buy your item from Grizabella, letting the first two items rot in your listsold until you got enough money to pay for them or they bounced back.
I don't think I ever said you should have a billion times infinity plat, I said that you should not be able to order items, not pay for them, and continue using the listsold system.
If it's really that huge of an issue for you to manage your tmap empire, maybe you should have tmaps sent to a different character.
Hasrett: I've talked to you multiple times on the boards and in game and I bear you no malice (even if you go to school on a pile of manure) but I don't see how making it easier for people to abuse listsold is a good idea and I've stated why as clearly as I can.
Item you asked for on the forums cost x
Item you asked for on the forums cost x
Item you asked for from Grizabella cost x
You cannot afford to buy all of them, yet you have solicited them, whether through tells or on the forums.
Under the current system you are forced to respond to the person on a first-sent first-resolved basis. If you know that you will need your money to buy something later, don't spend all your money now, and reject the first two, or however many.
Under your system you would ignore the first two sellers and buy your item from Grizabella, letting the first two items rot in your listsold until you got enough money to pay for them or they bounced back.
I don't think I ever said you should have a billion times infinity plat, I said that you should not be able to order items, not pay for them, and continue using the listsold system.
If it's really that huge of an issue for you to manage your tmap empire, maybe you should have tmaps sent to a different character.
Hasrett: I've talked to you multiple times on the boards and in game and I bear you no malice (even if you go to school on a pile of manure) but I don't see how making it easier for people to abuse listsold is a good idea and I've stated why as clearly as I can.
I think this is a fantastic idea, even if it is only a matter of convenience (which in some ways, it isn't). It's very frustrating to only be able to see one item at a time. And it CAN cause problems.
Let's say I have 3kp. I'm poor, sue me. Someone sends me X item for 300p which I've been known to buy. Alot of X items. But someone else sent me the very important Item Yfor 500p. But that item has been buried under Item X. Am I willing to buy item X? Yes. But I need to buy my very important Item Y first, so I know how many Item X's I can accept before I should start rejecting them. Otherwise it's a crapshoot, I can keep accepting Item X with the assumption that there's only a couple of them, or I can reject them because I need to get to the bottom of the pile.
Is it possible to do this? Yeah sure, but it's obnoxious. A list of the stuff in your inbox, which would allow you to choose which items you would buy first would not be out of line. And it certainly wouldn't be pointless.
Let's say I have 3kp. I'm poor, sue me. Someone sends me X item for 300p which I've been known to buy. Alot of X items. But someone else sent me the very important Item Yfor 500p. But that item has been buried under Item X. Am I willing to buy item X? Yes. But I need to buy my very important Item Y first, so I know how many Item X's I can accept before I should start rejecting them. Otherwise it's a crapshoot, I can keep accepting Item X with the assumption that there's only a couple of them, or I can reject them because I need to get to the bottom of the pile.
Is it possible to do this? Yeah sure, but it's obnoxious. A list of the stuff in your inbox, which would allow you to choose which items you would buy first would not be out of line. And it certainly wouldn't be pointless.
Ok, I see what your saying robo. But I see what Gal is saying as well.
I mean, I guess it comes down to what you feel is an acceptable amount of time to have an item sitting in listsend. Is it zero time (instant send, instant buy), or is it an hour, 2?, a day?..
I mean that's what it all boils down to.
As of right now, it seems the dev staff feel that 2 days is an acceptable amount of time (I think thats the default time for an item to sit there before it gets sent back isn't it?).
So, while I agree both sides have a valid point (yes, it is a nice feature, and yes, it is uncool to let items rot for long periods of time because you can't pay for it).
I feel the system has more benefits than disadvantages overall and would be a worthy feature to be implemented.
I mean, I guess it comes down to what you feel is an acceptable amount of time to have an item sitting in listsend. Is it zero time (instant send, instant buy), or is it an hour, 2?, a day?..
I mean that's what it all boils down to.
As of right now, it seems the dev staff feel that 2 days is an acceptable amount of time (I think thats the default time for an item to sit there before it gets sent back isn't it?).
So, while I agree both sides have a valid point (yes, it is a nice feature, and yes, it is uncool to let items rot for long periods of time because you can't pay for it).
I feel the system has more benefits than disadvantages overall and would be a worthy feature to be implemented.
Likewise, Tyrone, I don't bear you any ill will... I like you and find you entertaining as hell in-game and most of the time on the forums... but OMG 
I feel like I'm whacking my head against a brick wall here lol.
Anyway, I've made my point, and Ykari reiterated it well. I see where you're coming from, but I also feel like I've explained why it'd be no more of a problem for anyone than the current system.
I'm not going to draw it out any further, other than to say this: under the current system, if you can't afford an item until you make some more money, but you don't want to reject the first in the queue (e.g. because you can make the money for it in a few hours), EVERYONE who's sent stuff to you gets screwed because you aren't purchasing any of it.
I feel like I'm whacking my head against a brick wall here lol.
Anyway, I've made my point, and Ykari reiterated it well. I see where you're coming from, but I also feel like I've explained why it'd be no more of a problem for anyone than the current system.
I'm not going to draw it out any further, other than to say this: under the current system, if you can't afford an item until you make some more money, but you don't want to reject the first in the queue (e.g. because you can make the money for it in a few hours), EVERYONE who's sent stuff to you gets screwed because you aren't purchasing any of it.
shebearcub
Dalayan Beginner
Magister said:
I agree, that it does come down to time frames. I think 24 hours is a better timeframe then 2 days for something to sit before it's bounced back. If i'm activly running my listsold, listbuy and plan to keep it there's no reason i can't log in and do mail in 24 hours most times. That accounts for time differences, and the guy that plays while i'm sleeping can still send me ice kobold furs.
i just would like to repeat what was said earlier
I feel the system has more benefits than disadvantages overall and would be a worthy feature to be implemented.
Being able to see what all has been sent would be nearly invaluable to me, if I log on to see 14 diamonds first in my mail, I have to stop and wonder if I buy those what's coming next. Somedays checking my mail costs 4 or 5k and I'd like to be able to see what's coming at me!!
robopirateninja
Staff Emeritus
I haven't said this yet, but I think a "look-ahead" could be implemented without abuse, but I maintain thatyou should resolve listsent items in the order they arrive.
shebearcub
Dalayan Beginner
the only trouble with this is that, in the case of standing wtb - people don't pay attention to my list when i change it. I may be totally willing to buy the sapphire someone sent after I quit auctioning for it, if it doesn't interfere with the things I have auctioned to buy.robopirateninja said:
If i'm forced to resolve that just because someone sent that first then the guy who would make some cash cuz I have it to spend, would not because I'd reject that sapphire since I said I did'nt want anymore, and go on to check the rest of my mail for things I said I wanted most recently.
And that's just for tradeskills not even the average player. There's going to be abuse in any system that's just the price of an open community. You can't always make choices based on protecting yourself, there are so many things that would never get done that way.
That would be good, if you know you have 3 items burring your most important item, you would know you have to spend so much plat to get to your most important one, then decide which one you reject immediatly to get to your most important. Time for example
/listget
item A from player A at 100pp (for which you have a standing order on forum or in /auction)
item B from player B at 200pp (for which you have a standing order on forum or in /auction)
item C from player B at 200pp (for which you have a standing order on forum or in /auction)
item OMGOMGOMG from super crafter at 500pp (for which you placed a specific order)
You have 900PP
you can choose to immediatly reject either or all items from player A or B