Legal / Illegal use of pet clarifcation please.

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Snake

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Every now and then i hear something about "no your not allowed to use pet to do this and that".

But im really in doubt what goes and what doesnt.


Here are my questions:
Are pets allowed to tank?
Are pets allowed to be sent in to mobs to create first aggro?
Are pets allowed to be used to eat special abilities (cowardly strike, rampage ect.)?
Are pets allowed to aggro parts of scripts (for example stuff that will blow up on contact)?

These questions goes for both normal pets, "swarm / summon-on-target" pets, Runic pets, and on raids as well as in groups.
 
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I heard from someone, who heard from someone else, that you cant use pets on Gloom puddles, so obv we dont do that...

My questions are still valid though, and if a staff would answer it, i would be much greatful.
 
Are pets allowed to tank? No. Any mage Soloing with their pet cannot allow the pet to tank the monster.

Are pets allowed to be sent in to mobs to create first aggro? No. Any monk found using Batty legs to pull monsters is against the rules and is punishable by ban.

Are pets allowed to be used to eat special abilities (cowardly strike, rampage ect.)? No, using swarm pets at all is against the rules actually.

Are pets allowed to aggro parts of scripts (the only example in the game that I care about and why I made this thread not even being worthy of the trash can being Gloom puddles)? No
 
If you were a newbie asking these questions I wouldn't respond, or I would respond in a polite manner. But you're not. You lead the #2 raid guild on the server. The fact that you're asking such stupid questions as a guise to try to justify some random shady shit is enough to warrant dumb replies.

Leader of Exodus: "Are pets allowed to tank?"

Common sense, which you apparently have none of, would answer all of your questions.
 
Yes i am not able to tab in the information that you refer to as "common sense", so i have to ask (and i no longer trust my common sense, i can come with many examples, but then i should probably post in happyland).

Since i am leader of a guild its also very important for me that we dont break rules.
What you think is stupid questions (i dont really care what you think, but since im a nice guy, im gonna spend a little time answering your rude BS) is really me trying hard to make sure i dont step out of the box of what is legal and illegal.

You refer to my question about pet tanking, so your answer is (if im to try and make sense of it),
"If your pet is taking melee damage from a raid boss, you must /pet go away, or be jailed or banned"?
Or is it "Your pet can tank all it want, obviously"?
 
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You can do anything with your pet that is not using it to exploit or circumvent mechanics
 
If you have trouble deciding if the action you are taking is exploitative or circumvention ask yourself if whatever you are doing is giving you an advantage that was most likely unintended by the creator of the fight.
 
Thanks Rorne that is good advice.

My problem is that i my self have done a bit of coding (not for SoD), and when i made fights, i always worked with a list of what i knew that chars where able to do, so the fights them selfs should be water tight for exploids.
Obviously i made tons of mistakes, and had to correct them, but for my point of view as a player, im free to do what i can.
If something like a sacrificing a pet explodes the boss and we get basicly free loot, well obviously i would report it. Or if two boss' turns on each other and kills one and other, and we'r just standing there waiting for free loot, well even i can see thats its a bug, and would report it.

But if i sacrifice a pet to make a move easier (not making an impossible move possible, but just making a hard move easier), well in my book its not a bad thing and it was possible, so it must be good.
Thats my problem, i dont share the "common sense" of the devs and staff of this server.
Thats my problem, and i try hard to learn.

So if someone can give me some well defined guidelines it would be nice.
 
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Snake said:
So if someone can give me some well defined guidelines it would be nice.
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Not gonna speak for the GMs or devs, but I think you're asking the impossible. I don't think there's any way they could or would want to go through every specific possible situation and give a definitive yes or no.

The question of whether some action is or is not an exploit is resolved by going through the process Gerick described.
 
Snake said:
But if i sacrifice a pet to make a move easier (not making an impossible move possible, but just making a hard move easier), well in my book its not a bad thing and it was possible, so it must be good.
Thats my problem, i dont share the "common sense" of the devs and staff of this server.
Thats my problem, and i try hard to learn.
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Really I think the best you can do is play it safe and contact the dev that made the fight if possible, for the example of the gloom puddles that is probably something that needs to be addressed on the development side of things as well.
 
Alright fair enough.
Going to try and make examples of what might be exploiding using common sense....

Boss mob A does MASSIVE fire damage thrue spells, but doesnt do alot of melee damage. Mage sends in fire pets, all but healers go afk for 10 minuts, and then come back for loot = exploid!

Boss mob B does MASSIVE melee damage, so much that the tanks just fall over dead. Use some mage pet with alot of HP's to tank it = exploid?

Boss mob C does high melee damage, tanks tank it down to 10% but then they start dien one by one, after some time C goes on the Runic pet, who gets heals, and tanks its till dead = exploid?

Boss mob D has alot of trash thats needs to be pulled out and does DB. After being aggroed several times, his DB is powered up. We send in pet to eat the DB and get SK on Ramp = exploid?

Boss mob E has rampage. We send in pet first to make it eat rampage (needs to be healed, but if we fuck up, its not to much of a loss) = exploid?

Boss mob F will fire HUGE AE when first aggroed, we send in a pet first to trigger the AE, then we all run in = exploid?

Boss mob G does alot of Cowardly strikes, and it eats up our healers. Sending in swarm pets will make most of the Cowardly strikes go on swarm pets = exploid?

Boss mob H has high frotal AE, pets arent hit though. Pets are placed and used to aux = exploid?
 
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If you genuinely don't know the answer to most/all of those, I'd recommend not using any pets while raiding unless there's a GM observing, since the aforementioned common sense is obviously non-existent.
 
Pets, especially mage and bst pets, received a courtesy in not being hit by most aoes in the ikisith expansion. And in the case of the mentioned classes, huge health ensuring that these fundamental parts of those classes dps remain functional during an encounter.

If you press your demand for a legalistic answer, and incorporate these things into your strategy when you do not receive one. You will only
achieve a pet hp nerf and the inclusion of pets on aoes, especially frontal cones.
 
The pets being used for unintentional bypass of fight mechanic thing should *hopefully* be fixed now for the fights in question. I agree that someone should not have to tell you to not do something.
 
If you cant decide whether something is an exploit, don't do it.

Pets tanking, even runic two pets, is not usually a huge issue because they have very low AC and while they might be easier to keep up for some time, they are actually less efficent to heal than an actual tank. (Unless something changed since last time I tried it)

If you find some encounter that does all spell damage and suddenly the pet is superior to real tanks, that's pretty questionable and I wouldn't do it without asking about that specific encounter.

Basically, if you find a weird way of doing something with a pet that makes an encounter easier by any significant margin you might want to question if its an exploit. Basically common sense. If you cant figure these things out, I think even Exodus has a couple members who could give you as good an answer as anyone here.
 
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