It's coming...

[Allielyn]

Actually, I think Fox's ad is one of the least "dirty" ads I've seen anywhere. My major concern was your posting of what appeared to me to be one line which misrepresented the issue. Of course both sides are guilty of attack ads. What I originally wrote really had little to do with this, though.

You wrote:

Stem Cell research . . promises a cure.

I feel that this misrepresents the issue. Believe me, if a cure to things like Parkinson's was absolutely guaranteed through stem cell research, then there wouldn't be any problem with funding, government involvement aside. Now, we may have just talked past each other, but when I say I promise something, that means it's guaranteed. I will do it. No ifs ands or buts.

Stem cell research IS promising. Which means to me, that there is a possibility that it can offer hope to many people with a variety of diseases. But there's no inherent guarantee. This is what I was arguing, because to me, you were saying that there IS an inherent guarantee of cures that will come through stem cell research.

Not that I meant to re-hash the same argument, but it appears we were talking past each other, and I felt the need to clarify the issue, since clearly you didn't understand my post. Perhaps it is merely an issue of semantics.

P.S. The last line was not intended to be an insult at all, nor was it an "embarrased bowing out." Believe me, if I was trying to be rude or condescending, I think you'd know it.

 

[Armando]

Of course both sides are guilty of attack ads.

are you saying both parties are roughly equivalent as far as unfair, dirty attack ads?

Stem cell research IS promising. Which means to me, that there is a possibility that it can offer hope to many people with a variety of diseases.

i did not misrepresent michael j fox and michael j fox did not misrepresent stem cell research. the "promise" you are referring to is the promise of a cure. that does not mean a "guarantee" of anything. it is not an issue of semantics, it's an issue of you baselessly slandering fox and myself.

if anyone reading this or watching the ads cannot understand conversational english, that is, again, beyond the responsibility of myself or the ad.

the whole discussion is whether both parties are equal in political dirty tricks. the fox ad is relevant because it is the best and only example the right has of a so-called dirty ad. you say the ad misrepresents stem cell research and is irresponsible because it plays to emotion. that is a ridiculous statement, so again, tell me how the ad misrepresents stem cell research and tell me again what is irresponsible about responding emotionally to the suffering of michael j fox.

(we have already established that merely begining federal research does not mean getting a cure (guaranteed). can we agree that the medical science surrounding stem cell research is promising enough to be our best hope for a cure?)

 

[vistachiri]

The following is strictly for the people who dwell in the USA with me...


The problem is that people think "Hooray for MY TEAM" but neglect to notice their team is fucking them every chance it gets.

When was the last time a politician did anything for you?

"My life is so much easier than it used to be.  I don't have as much debt.  It's easier to get by from month to month.  I like the excellent medical coverage I have.  I'm glad that I'm really free...not like those people in other countries like China who have to deal with wiretaps and...oh...wait."

"I am so glad my tax dollars go towards worthwhile causes and aren't just used to blow up more brown people."

People need to stop fearing blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, rednecks, christians, muslims, gays, liberals, conservatives, etc.  They need to start seeing what the country is turning into.  The country should remember that citizens shouldn't fear their government....the government should fear it's citizens.

/agree they're both fucking us, just at different ends.

 

[Armando]

don't think it's fair to have that attitude.

so many of us our doing are best and fighting hard. it's hard to really comprehend the personal sacrifice a lot of people make to try to do good. right now the republicans our too corrupt and incompetent to do anything but run this country into the ground. even republicans openly say it.

to pretend that both parties are the same is really just to reveal your indifference towards politics and how oursystem works. it's true that you don't get your first choice, but the difference between competent goverence and incompetence is the difference between life or death for hundreds of thounsands.

what we try to do, it affects people every day. when we try to create a living wage because we believe every american should be allowed the dignity to earn a living, to at the very minimum afford to put food on the table, clothes on their back and a roof over their head, we do it solely because we believe in the cause. no one pays me a dime. i've given so much time, money, emotions ...

i am not asking for thanks or anything like that. i just want people to think seriously about the two parties and the consequences. i want people to use more than one source for news, and use the internet over tv. i want people to vote and make informed choices because i know that democracy fails without an informed electorate.

right now the game of politics is pure shit. it's marketing, plain and simple. they crunch numbers and run the attack ads. every person that is turned off to politics that would have voted democrats is +1. they send out direct mailing to targeted demographics.

do you know what they are doing now? robo calls. as late as 2am. and they are making it sound like it is coming from democrats.

in virginia alone, voters in predominantly black democratic neighborhoods are receiving calls that say they are improperly registered and will be arrested if they try to vote. they are getting flyers that say to "SKIP THE ELECTION" and they are getting calls from people claiming to be Webb volunteers and they are telling them the polling station has changed. all of these tactics are blantant, illegal efforts to suppress the will of the voter.

you want to pretend both sides do it, but one side is more desperate than the other. they will stoop to anything. they have. it's public domain to see their history. in 2004 their were convictions for a phone jamming operation targeted at democratic get-out-the-vote phone banks. this operation made numerous calls to the white house. who cares right, it just disappears into the news ether and everyone forgets.

i'll link anything if you ask, but i feel like no one on this board is really paying attention anyways..

according to the latest survey USA poll (notoriously accurate int he south) Jim Webb leads George Allen in VA by 8 points.

we'll see.

 

[Mori]

I do not mean to be rude or anything but don't you realize that your extremely liberal anti-republican propaganda is just as bad an anything your are disparaging? And have you become so blind that you seriously think that any one political party is the road to salvation and truth in this nation? Not all republicans nor all democrats are bad people, but there is bad on either side and as other people have pointed out both sides are screwing you either way. Politics has become about personal power rather than representing the people's wishes. I wish more independent candidates would have resources to get their messages out and people would stop voting based solely on party lines because the two major parties only want your votes, not to help you or your neighbor. Note I said parties plural.

 

[iaeolan]

I do not mean to be rude or anything but don't you realize that your extremely liberal anti-republican propaganda is just as bad an anything your are disparaging? And have you become so blind that you seriously think that any one political party is the road to salvation and truth in this nation? Not all republicans nor all democrats are bad people, but there is bad on either side and as other people have pointed out both sides are screwing you either way. Politics has become about personal power rather than representing the people's wishes. I wish more independent candidates would have resources to get their messages out and people would stop voting based solely on party lines because the two major parties only want your votes, not to help you or your neighbor. Note I said parties plural.

But dude... don't you get it? Republicans are evil and voting democrat is supporting terrorism

 

[Armando]

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